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  • Vince
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    Originally posted by Helen S
    Was't the issue that Bush felt Guantanamo should be exempt from US law because it was in Cuba? And if that was proved true, then other bases would have to have been included.
    Actually Bush never claimed as you have mistated that Gitmo was exempt from U.S. law. They claim that enemy combatants should be tried in U.S. Military Courts or tribunals, as has happened in the past.

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  • Helen S
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    Was't the issue that Bush felt Guantanamo should be exempt from US law because it was in Cuba? And if that was proved true, then other bases would have to have been included.

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  • Chetanji
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by jamese1045
    Not a political question: if a candidate--oh, say McCain-- was born on a U.S. miltary base--oh, say, like Panama C.Z.--and they are "naturalized" citizens of the U.S., why would there be any restriction on their becoming prez? Legal eagles have any ideas? What was the Founding Fathers' purpose with this "restriction?"

    Just wondering BECAUSE I was born in Panama, C.Z. and was always told I could never run for prez, much to my disgruntlement and of course the county's loss. :lol: jim
    Something is amiss in this situation. Every American embassy is indeed American soil as is America's military bases. Perhaps, it is written into the constitution that the child must be born with the boundaries of the States. And this does not include embassies and military bases.

    Good question.

    If we rectify this quickly can you get your campaign running quick enough for the next presidential run? 8)

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  • lonewolf
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    A talking head on TV mentioned the other day that this had already been threshed out in the case of a president or presidential candidate many elections ago.. can't remember who.. Woodrow Wilson???

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  • tandfman
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    IIRC, Earl Bell was one, too.

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  • jamese1045
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by malmo
    Originally posted by jamese1045
    I don't know what the flap is over McCain's qualifications, then.

    jim
    US CODE
    TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 Nationals and citizens of United States at birth


    Anyone born inside the United States

    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.
    Gracias!

    I have not known that all these years.

    And I'm younger than McCain, the "other" C.Z. boy.

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  • malmo
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by jamese1045
    I don't know what the flap is over McCain's qualifications, then.

    jim
    US CODE
    TITLE 8 > CHAPTER 12 > SUBCHAPTER III > Part I > § 1401 Nationals and citizens of United States at birth


    Anyone born inside the United States

    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe

    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.

    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national

    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year

    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21

    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)

    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

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  • jamese1045
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by malmo
    Originally posted by jamese1045
    Not a political question: if a candidate--oh, say McCain-- was born on a U.S. miltary base--oh, say, like Panama C.Z.--and they are "naturalized" citizens of the U.S., why would there be any restriction on their becoming prez? Legal eagles have any ideas? What was the Founding Fathers' purpose with this "restriction?"

    Just wondering BECAUSE I was born in Panama, C.Z. and was always told I could never run for prez, much to my disgruntlement and of course the county's loss. :lol:



    jim
    James, your understanding is incorrect. There is no such restriction.

    If your parents are US citizens you are a natural born US citizen not matter where you are born. There is no "military base or US controlled soil" requirement.

    It's OK, you can run as Ralph Nadar's running mate if you want.
    I'm in.

    Dad was in the U.S.N.

    I don't know what the flap is over McCain's qualifications, then.

    jim

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  • malmo
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by jamese1045
    Not a political question: if a candidate--oh, say McCain-- was born on a U.S. miltary base--oh, say, like Panama C.Z.--and they are "naturalized" citizens of the U.S., why would there be any restriction on their becoming prez? Legal eagles have any ideas? What was the Founding Fathers' purpose with this "restriction?"

    Just wondering BECAUSE I was born in Panama, C.Z. and was always told I could never run for prez, much to my disgruntlement and of course the county's loss. :lol:

    jim
    James, your understanding is incorrect. There is no such restriction.

    If your parents are US citizens you are a natural born US citizen not matter where you are born. There is no "military base or US controlled soil" requirement.

    It's OK, you can run as Ralph Nadar's running mate if you want.

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  • jamese1045
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by AS
    Originally posted by jamese1045
    ...much to my disgruntlement and of course the county's loss. :lol:

    jim
    Only the county's loss?? 8)
    Oh, geat! Gimme a beak, ok?

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  • AS
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    Re: not born in the USA?

    Originally posted by jamese1045
    ...much to my disgruntlement and of course the county's loss. :lol:

    jim
    Only the county's loss?? 8)

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  • jamese1045
    started a topic not born in the USA?

    not born in the USA?

    Not a political question: if a candidate--oh, say McCain-- was born on a U.S. miltary base--oh, say, like Panama C.Z.--and they are "naturalized" citizens of the U.S., why would there be any restriction on their becoming prez? Legal eagles have any ideas? What was the Founding Fathers' purpose with this "restriction?"

    Just wondering BECAUSE I was born in Panama, C.Z. and was always told I could never run for prez, much to my disgruntlement and of course the county's loss. :lol:

    jim
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