What is your definition of "win" in the Irag war?

[dakota]

What I'd said, was that Stiglitz, and Kristof, are entirely correct at this moment in time. However, I'm sure Stiglitz, if he were asked, would agree that in the medium and long term that US$12 Trillion (the value of Iraqi reserves) is a heck of a lot of money and will cure any and all that ails the the U.S. at present. I suspect, he may have even mentioned that to Kristof, who, sadly decided not to run that bit. For some journos, the motto is 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story.'

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/commen ... 419840.ece

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/fe ... fghanistan

The second criticism - which we admit - was that we only look at the costs, not the benefits. Now, we couldn't see any benefits. From our point of view we weren't sure what those were

[Conor Dary]

For an insight from some actual Iraqis see the Charlie Rose interview on this thread.

http://tinyurl.com/2f7pge

[dakota]

I'm not sure why Rich is under the misapprehension that the USA will soon be in control of $12 trillion dollars worth of Iraqi oil.

[SQUACKEE]

I'm not sure why Rich is under the misapprehension that the USA will soon be in control of $12 trillion dollars worth of Iraqi oil.

And how did all our oil get under their sand, dammit! :P