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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Daisy
    It's not like each degree program has equal quality based on some league table of schools.
    The US News & World Report standings do point out that ALL of SU's Graduate Programs are Top 5 in the nation and each of the undergraduate departments are likewise highly regarded.
    Well there are exceptions, but smaller schools with less money can't compete. That does not mean that ALL their departments are second or third tier.

    Obviously every student should judge a school for their own needs. I'm pretty sure that anyone favoring humanities will find departments in smaller school more educational (smaller classes). On the other hand a chance to be in a department of a large school and interact with a specific celebrity faculty might work too. Some schools can accommodate both needs. For many, the schools prestige is the only thing that counts.

    Scientists might prefer schools with lots of research labs for a chance of a hands on experience despite 300+ classes. Or they might like intimate classes in small schools that are more discussion oriented? Every student is different. In general the league tables do not take that into account.

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  • gm
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    Originally posted by bad hammy
    Love the list, Rich. It took me ten years to get a four year degree (working full time almost all of it), spread out over three colleges, not one of which made the list! I shall go outside and shoot myself now . . .
    save a bullet for me, bh... I am sure my alma mater ain't even in the top 1000

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  • bad hammy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by Daisy
    It's not like each degree program has equal quality based on some league table of schools.
    The US News & World Report standings do point out that ALL of SU's Graduate Programs are Top 5 in the nation and each of the undergraduate departments are likewise highly regarded.
    Yeah, but they took you in so we know there are some screwups somewhere around there . . .

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by Daisy
    It's not like each degree program has equal quality based on some league table of schools.
    The US News & World Report standings do point out that ALL of SU's Graduate Programs are Top 5 in the nation and each of the undergraduate departments are likewise highly regarded.

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  • bad hammy
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    Love the list, Rich. It took me ten years to get a four year degree (working full time almost all of it), spread out over three colleges, not one of which made the list! I shall go outside and shoot myself now . . .

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    But what happens after matriculants arrive is open to debate
    Sometimes things can go horribly wrong. Those that excel in HS do not always make a successful transition. In general, it also depends on what degree each student wants to pursue. It's not like each degree program has equal quality based on some league table of schools.

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  • mike renfro
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    Originally posted by RMc
    And Hasay can do much better academically by not even leaving her state, and maybe not even her home town....
    Wow, Atascadero has a university? Who knew Oh, you meant SLO? That's just where she goes to school.

    I think I agree with what seems to be the tenor of this thread, she all but has Stanford barcoded on her fore head. The only clinker to that is if her parents are truly wealthy, an Ivy would be appealing. Stanford has the advantage of athletic scholarships, but financial aid is available at the ivies. A change of scene might be appealing.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by RMc
    To put it simply, Oregon's students don't have the same overall abilities as those at the UW, Cal, UCLA or, dare I say it as much as it pains me, Stanford. So this makes Oregon a much less attractive place to Hasay. She could just as well go to Wazzu where partying is an unofficial major....
    I think the ONLY thing one can state with any degree of certainty is the 'quality' of those who attend, i.e., admissions standards. So looking at SAT scores, HS GPAs and percentage admitted, one could conclude that SU is 'better'. But what happens after matriculants arrive is open to debate, and in my particular case, I'm afraid I may be providing evidence contrary to the theory of SU's superiority.

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  • trig
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    Yes, but she can't get that acclaim on the track.

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  • RMc
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    Originally posted by tandfman
    Originally posted by jkjoregon
    My point is UO does provide educational opportunities if you wish to take advantage of them.
    I think this is probably true at most large state universities. Some are better than others, but Oregon is certainly a place where you can get a very good education if you want one. Three of the best educated people I know attended state schools that most people would not rank among the top academic schools in the country. But they are more knowledgeable about more subjects than many Ivy grads I know.
    The real measure of the value of a school is the general outcomes for students. Yes, there are always exceptions, but it's likely that those students had to work harder to achieve what they did than if they had gone to a better school. You must consider the counterfactual case; otherwise you have false causality. And probably the most important single factor in school quality is the abilities of the other students--that factor lifts the performances of all students.

    To put it simply, Oregon's students don't have the same overall abilities as those at the UW, Cal, UCLA or, dare I say it as much as it pains me, Stanford. So this makes Oregon a much less attractive place to Hasay. She could just as well go to Wazzu where partying is an unofficial major....

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  • RMc
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    Originally posted by gh
    Originally posted by RMc
    Originally posted by decafan
    richxx87,
    Take your mean-sprited posts to the letsrun message board. While Oregon may not be perfect, there are plenty of Ivy League caliber kids on the track and field team. You clearly have an axe to grind with Oregon:

    "I also get the feeling that her family and mentors are wise to the shenanigans going on with that whole Nike/UO thing, and just don't seem to be the type of people who'd want to get mixed up in that."

    Really? What type of person exactly is that? Vin Lananna? Mike Reilly? Lance Deal? Which one of these men have integrity issues? I want specifics here. If you don't have any, I suggest you stop with the inuendos.

    These are the types of posts that disgust me with internet message boards.

    After spending a week in Eugene, I have to agree with richxx87 about the situation. We also asked around about Oregon's academic standing, and it does appear to be relatively mediocre compared to what will be available to Hasay. ....
    I'm curious as to which academic experts were standing around on street corners in Eugene disbursing analyses as to the school's standing.
    gh, to be honest, I'm much closer to the academic situation of West Coast universities than you are for a variety of reasons. I'm not able to opine on the comparisons between athletic departments to the same extent as you are, but I'm much more confident that I can get a reliable estimate of comparative academic standings from my contacts and experience.

    And Hasay can do much better academically by not even leaving her state, and maybe not even her home town....

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  • Bruce Kritzler
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    College track coaching staffs of 6 are not the problem, if we are talking about saving money. There are 10 support staff employees (sports information, marketing, trainers, medical, asst. AD's, secretaries, human resources) for every 1 coach at most major universities.

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  • richxx87
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    Okay this is bizarre...
    I didn't realize this thread still existed -- thought it had been wiped or just pushed down to the next pages. Now I see there's all kinds of negative vibe-ishness going on.

    Thus, I think we should take a step back and explain some things. I had assumed that others might already know my respect for Oregon track, but that was obviously not the case.

    Here's the reality: I do think that what they are doing up in Eugene is fabulous for U.S. distance running -- Salazar's Oregon Project, the OTC Elite, Vin Lananna's Ducks.

    I've been a fan of Rupp's for nigh on 5 years, I'm pulling for Wheating to win gold in Beijing, I dig the Mercado bros, AJ and that whole thing they got going. I dig the whole Pre and Bowerman thing, the best track stadium/fans on this planet, Hayward, and would never say or think a bad word about any of those people.

    I was one of the rabid fans that lobbied our respective administrations to restore the UCLA-UO dual meet, and now that we've succeeded, I hope it goes on for decades.

    BUT... with that said, I'm just saying I agreed with the original post of this thread that something "smells" a bit off lately and most of that odor seems to emanate from Beaverton and the odd little things they seem to get to go in their favor that don't seem to be mere coincidence. I speculated that maybe the top HS recruit and her support group may not want to be involved in all of that for a number of reasons -- including the assumption that they seem intent upon a top-level academic school. While UO and every other school has its positive points, I was merely pointing out, via a ranking, that UO may not fit that profile.

    It's nothing more than speculation on my part. It's the same as saying, "I think Asafa will win the 100 because of x, y and z factors" (even though my personal favorite may be Tyson). It wasn't about dislike for UO, it certainly wasn't about my links to UCLA (don't know where in hell that came from!), it was just my best objective guesstimation of the situation.

    And because of the fact that I do so revere UO track, I'm disappointed, as is the original poster, with the way things seem to smell at present.

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  • cladthin
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    Wow! Talk about a thread changing directions. This WAS about the firing of an asst. coach at UO and not about which school had academic bragging rights.

    BTW , as long as you guys are talking about THE LIST and what schools are this or that, those rankings are just .....bad. I have to question what, exactly, the criteria is(even though there are categories listed for scoring) for judging those schools.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    This guy attended Ivy League schools for under-graduate and graduate school.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moutUEfq ... re=related

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