I bet you didn't know C.K. Yang was Japanese!

[KDFINE]

I'm only posting this now because I tried to stay away from the message boards in order not to find stuff out before they were televised. I had the VCR taping during the night, and I'm not sure what was never shown.
Having said that, in mentioning Clay's friendship with Sebrele, Jim Lampley compared it to that of Rafer Johnson and C.K. Yang. He said C.K. was from Japan. I don't know if he ever bothered to correct himself. Was it ignorance, a slip, or was he afraid he'd offend the Chinese by mentioning Taiwan? (Hey I'm not being facetious, I just read that the American Standard name was covered up on the urinals!.)

[lonewolf]

I don't know about CK Yang but many Koreans were forced to compete for Japan in the 30s and 40s.

[Slowrunner]

Re: I bet you didn't know C.K. Yang was Japanese!

I'm only posting this now because I tried to stay away from the message boards in order not to find stuff out before they were televised. I had the VCR taping during the night, and I'm not sure what was never shown.
Having said that, in mentioning Clay's friendship with Sebrele, Jim Lampley compared it to that of Rafer Johnson and C.K. Yang. He said C.K. was from Japan. I don't know if he ever bothered to correct himself. Was it ignorance, a slip, or was he afraid he'd offend the Chinese by mentioning Taiwan? (Hey I'm not being facetious, I just read that the American Standard name was covered up on the urinals!.)

Jim Lampley, who usually is quite professional and seems to have a genuine passion for the Olympics (having covered 14 of them!) has made a few mistakes like this that surprised me.

[Novitiate]

"Yang was a member of the Amis tribe of Taiwanese aborigines." Hence, linguistically and genetically closer to Cathy Freeman than the average mainland Chinese, let alone Japanese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yang_Chuan-kwang

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_aborigines

[cacique]

not really. the taiwanese aborigines come from indonesia or phillipines.

[cacique]

Re: I bet you didn't know C.K. Yang was Japanese!

Was it ignorance, a slip, or was he afraid he'd offend the Chinese by mentioning Taiwan? (Hey I'm not being facetious, I just read that the American Standard name was covered up on the urinals!.)

ah, the joys of capitalism...

[cacique]

I don't know about CK Yang but many Koreans were forced to compete for Japan in the 30s and 40s.

CKY came about way after the WWII ended... get your history right.

[mike renfro]

When wasC K born? Until the fall of Japan in 1945 Taiwan was Formosa and was a Japanese possession. So it is possible that he started life, technically as Japanese. I'll google this and she what's shakin'

Born in 1933 in Taiwan, then Formosa. So, he was a Japanese subject. My guess is that he was not a citizen.

[Novitiate]

not really. the taiwanese aborigines come from indonesia or phillipines.

"The Taiwanese Aborigines are Austronesian peoples, with linguistic and genetic ties to other Austronesian ethnic groups, such as peoples of the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Madagascar and Oceania"

reference:

http://palaeoworks.anu.edu.au/pubs/Birdetal04.pdf

[lonewolf]

I don't know about CK Yang but many Koreans were forced to compete for Japan in the 30s and 40s.

CKY came about way after the WWII ended... get your history right.

Well, cacique, I deplore pissing contests and ordinarily would ignore your history lesson but since I came along in 1931 , long before WWII, I have lived a lot of that history. Yang was a comtemporary, I know when he competed. My reference was to the facts more clearly pointed out by mike refro that Yang was born a Japanese subject, though not a Japanese citizen or of Japanese ancestry.
Thank you, mike, for clarifying my careless statement that some of the youngsters apparently misunderstood.

[cacique]

When wasC K born? Until the fall of Japan in 1945 Taiwan was Formosa and was a Japanese possession. So it is possible that he started life, technically as Japanese. I'll google this and she what's shakin'

Born in 1933 in Taiwan, then Formosa. So, he was a Japanese subject. My guess is that he was not a citizen.

correct, but in 1960, he would not be representing japan.

[cacique]

not really. the taiwanese aborigines come from indonesia or phillipines.

"The Taiwanese Aborigines are Austronesian peoples, with linguistic and genetic ties to other Austronesian ethnic groups, such as peoples of the Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia, Madagascar and Oceania"

reference:

http://palaeoworks.anu.edu.au/pubs/Birdetal04.pdf

i don't think australian aborigines are related to the malay/indonesian peoples (the so-called austronesians). that was my point. australian aborigines are believed to have arrived in australia much earlier than the austronesian/polynesian migrations.

[cacique]

well, lonewolf, here we are criticizing jim lampley's slip of the tongue, and yet you mistake the 1930s and 1940s with the 1960s. consider that.

I don't know about CK Yang but many Koreans were forced to compete for Japan in the 30s and 40s.

[Quick Silver]

C.K.-san

Formosa was a province of Japan at the time of his birth, so C.K. Yang would have been a full-fledged Japanese citizen until 1945, despite his aboriginal background.

Contrary to PRC propaganda, 1945 is the first time Formosa ever became part of China. It was ceded by Japan to the Republic of China in the WWII peace treaty, and after 1949 became the ROC's only remnant. (Before 1900, Manchuria was a separate country and Formosa, like China itself, was a colony of Manchuria.) When Yang was competing, he, like Chi Cheng, represented the Republic of China, the only China the IOC and IAAF recognized in those days.

Jared Dimond, in "Guns, Germs and Steel", makes a convincing case that the Filipinos, Indonesians, Polynesians and even the Maoris were descended from Yang's aboriginal forefathers.

Quick Silver
Hong Kong

[26mi235]

well, lonewolf, here we are criticizing jim lampley's slip of the tongue, and yet you mistake the 1930s and 1940s with the 1960s. consider that.

I don't know about CK Yang but many Koreans were forced to compete for Japan in the 30s and 40s.

I think that you should take back your comment and your tone. You also need to improve your ability to read nuance; until you get those two things more in sync don't be so pissy to very senior posters on this board. [Do you really think that lonewolf thinks he competed in the 30s and 40s, do you not see that the reference might be to his 'nationality' (born as a subject to the Japanese)? Do you bother to remember what lonewolf's background is?]

lonewolf
"Well, cacique, I deplore pissing contests and ordinarily would ignore your history lesson but since I came along in 1931 , long before WWII, I have lived a lot of that history. Yang was a comtemporary, I know when he competed. My reference was to the facts more clearly pointed out by mike refro that Yang was born a Japanese subject, though not a Japanese citizen or of Japanese ancestry.
Thank you, mike, for clarifying my careless statement that some of the youngsters apparently misunderstood."

"I don't know about CK Yang but many Koreans were forced to compete for Japan in the 30s and 40s."

Renfro:
"When wasC K born? Until the fall of Japan in 1945 Taiwan was Formosa and was a Japanese possession. So it is possible that he started life, technically as Japanese. I'll google this and she what's shakin'

Born in 1933 in Taiwan, then Formosa. So, he was a Japanese subject. My guess is that he was not a citizen."