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    (The below should be seen partially as feedback to the mods concerning
    my own opinions, partially as an inquiry into what other posters
    think. I stress that I value both the boards in general and the
    efforts put in by, above all, gh to keep them a pleasant experience.)

    Every so often, someone asks ``Where did thread xxx go?!?'', ``What
    happened to my posts?!?'', or similar. Apparently, the way deletion of
    unsuitable posts (and, in lesser cases, moves of threads to other
    boards) is handled causes a lot of unnecessary confusion. Futher
    sometimes threads are deleted entirely, because they took a bad
    turn---despite the fact that a large part of the discussion was both
    kosher and potentially interesting, and despite the possibility of
    references from other threads. (This is apparently what happened to
    the recent AOY thread, which was a personal favourite of mine, and
    which was referenced from at least two other threads. Cf.
    http://mb.trackandfieldnews.com/discuss ... 145#500154.)

    Based on what I have seen as positive on other forum sites, I would
    make the following suggestions for improved handling:

    1. Do not delete in the conventional way. Instead, replace the
    offending text with a semi-generic message indicating that the post
    was considered unsuitable, preferably citing the reason with a
    reference to the board guide-lines. (Multiple posts can, of course, be
    covered by one message.)

    2. Take care to only delete the posts that are actually offending, not
    surrounding innocent posts, and not the entire thread.

    3. If a thread gets out of hand, keep the kosher parts and put a lock
    against new posts on the thread.

    4. If a thread is moved to another board after a longer time, consider
    leaving a dummy thread stating where the original thread can now be
    found. If the original poster was new, then consider sending him an
    email with notification. (It is obvious from some of the queries that
    not all posters have been here long enough to recognize the
    possibility of a moved thread.)

    On a related note: If we wish to prevent offending posters from
    re-offending, it is benefitial to not just silently delete their
    posts, but to actually educate them on why their posts were unsuitable
    (and that any repetition will suffer the same fate).

    Of course, I fully respect the fact that our mods only have a limited
    amount of time to spend on clean-up tasks, and that the owners of a
    free-of-charge, public-service forum has the right to run it as they
    see fit. However, the above suggestions would, IMO, improve the boards
    without causing undue overhead. Notably, if there are limitations in
    the administrative UI, these should be comparatively easy to
    circumvent by small external scripts; notably, the texts used can
    usually be written once, and then copy-and-past'ed as appropriate.

  • #2
    Takes entirely too much time for number one.

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    • #3
      The suggestions make some sense but I think E Garry sets the rules, and we play by them. If we no lika the rules, we no playa the game.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by bambam
        The suggestions make some sense but I think E Garry sets the rules, and we play by them. If we no lika the rules, we no playa the game.
        Or we make a suggestion and see if he changes his mind ;-)

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        • #5
          Originally posted by imaginative
          Originally posted by bambam
          The suggestions make some sense but I think E Garry sets the rules, and we play by them. If we no lika the rules, we no playa the game.
          Or we make a suggestion and see if he changes his mind ;-)
          I doubt it's a case of changing his mind. If you can invent more hours in the day, and an infinite patience to suffer fools (as most of us have been at one time or another) gladly, then yes, you have a case for yourself.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by EPelle
            Takes entirely too much time for number one.
            I've been sheriff of late on the board and pulled a couple full threads basically for the reason Epelle identifies- trying to cull bad from good gets very time consuming.

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            • #7
              It appears, as I originally feared, that the time issue is
              problematic. One possible way of addressing this is to give limited
              mod rights to selected (volunteer) posters---something which is quite
              common on other boards.

              (I assume, for the sake of argument, that there are no political,
              legal, or other issues that would prevent this.)

              As a possible procedure:

              1. Ask for volunteers among posters with 1000+ posts and a 2+-year
              participation.

              2. Filter out any that have a history of getting into fights, have
              been previously suspended, or otherwise may be unsuitable.

              3. Hold a one-day poll for each of the remaining (presumably very few)
              volunteers, and remove any candidate that turns out to lack the
              support of the community.

              Rights of these volunteer mods could include:

              1. Officially admonishing other posters.

              2. Deleting/editing individual offending posts. This could include
              major clean-ups of a thread (that would otherwise have been deleted as
              per bhall's above post) on the indication of an official mod.

              3. Moving threads between boards.

              4. Temporarily disable posting on individual threads.

              The rights to suspend users and delete threads would remain
              exclusively with the official mods.

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              • #8
                For what it is worth here is what i do. It's obvious when a thread is about to expire (mind you not all get the axe). Once its started to head south don't bother contributing to the thread if you are worried about your content being lost for good (or other content that exists in the thread). This has an additional plus side, in that if we all stop contributing to the thread it is more likely to survive.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by imaginative
                  give limited mod rights to selected (volunteer) posters
                  It it already the First of April already?! :lol:

                  The point is that gh's perspective is unique and no 'volunteer mod' could possibly mind-read him, not would they be interested in trying to second-guess him.

                  This board is what it is, and if you can just relax and enjoy that, then you'll be much happier.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Marlow
                    The point is that gh's perspective is unique and no 'volunteer mod' could possibly mind-read him, not would they be interested in trying to second-guess him.
                    Not quite true since bhall moderates too.

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                    • #11
                      Although the moderators have "legal" right to remove whole threads, I would seriously question its "moral" rightness. Many people writing here do that for love of our sports, spending a lot of time doing that. They honestly enjoy sharing the news, their opinions, data, analyses etc. with other fans. By removing whole threads, the moderators show disrespect for these people, and in particular for the original starter of the thread. I see such an insult more harmful for the forum than the offending posts actually are.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mikli
                        I see such an insult more harmful for the forum than the offending posts actually are.
                        I'm not sure it happens that often. More often I notice they clip the offending material from the end of a thread. Possibly a few good posts get lost? When a whole thread is lost its often not worth keeping, although, I can't confirm that since they are gone, of course.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Daisy
                          Not quite true since bhall moderates too.
                          bh has even less time than gh and serves as vice-moderator (it certainly seems) in gh's absence. It also seems as though he's not as quick to pull stuff as gh.

                          I have objected to gh's tactics as much as anyone else here, but I also know that the oversight provided here is a much better alternative to being 'too permissive', as we often see elsewhere. I'm actually surprised he doesn't pull more stuff than he does.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Removal of unsuitable posts and related issues

                            Instead of wasting your time proposing a 16-point New Deal, why don't you just accept that if your post/thread was taken down it was for good reason? Some of you have way too much invested in your scribbling on an internet message board. It's just not that important.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Removal of unsuitable posts and related issues

                              Originally posted by imaginative
                              4. If a thread is moved to another board after a longer time, consider
                              leaving a dummy thread stating where the original thread can now be
                              found. If the original poster was new, then consider sending him an
                              email with notification. (It is obvious from some of the queries that
                              not all posters have been here long enough to recognize the
                              possibility of a moved thread.)
                              While it is possible to leave a shadow topic behind when they move threads, they don't do that here and I don't do it on my board. It leaves the boards cluttered. If people want to know where their post went there is an option to view your posts.

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