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  • imaginative
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    Originally posted by lonewolf
    This forum is not a democracy, nor should it be. If your literary or statistical masterpiece gets zapped, don't blame the moderators. blame the poster who could not resist the urge to vent a personal, gratitous, opinion on a clearly verboten subject in violation of the ground rules.
    In light of lonewolf's post and a few similar remarks from other posters, I
    stress that I am not blaming anyone. I make suggestions to improve what IMO
    is a weakness in the current (otherwise excellent) forums---nothing more,
    nothing less.

    As for losing own writings: I write almost everything in an external editor,
    which makes me more or less immune.

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  • malmo
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    Re: Removal of unsuitable posts and related issues

    Originally posted by Daisy
    Originally posted by malmo
    It's just not that important.
    You think anyone disagrees with this?
    Given the propensity towards manifesto over nothing, YES.

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  • lonewolf
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    This forum is not a democracy, nor should it be. If your literary or statistical masterpiece gets zapped, don't blame the moderators. blame the poster who could not resist the urge to vent a personal, gratitous, opinion on a clearly verboten subject in violation of the ground rules.

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  • Daisy
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    Re: Removal of unsuitable posts and related issues

    Originally posted by malmo
    It's just not that important.
    You think anyone disagrees with this?

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  • polevaultpower
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    Originally posted by imaginative
    It appears, as I originally feared, that the time issue is
    problematic. One possible way of addressing this is to give limited
    mod rights to selected (volunteer) posters---something which is quite
    common on other boards.

    (I assume, for the sake of argument, that there are no political,
    legal, or other issues that would prevent this.)

    As a possible procedure:

    1. Ask for volunteers among posters with 1000+ posts and a 2+-year
    participation.

    2. Filter out any that have a history of getting into fights, have
    been previously suspended, or otherwise may be unsuitable.

    3. Hold a one-day poll for each of the remaining (presumably very few)
    volunteers, and remove any candidate that turns out to lack the
    support of the community.

    Rights of these volunteer mods could include:

    1. Officially admonishing other posters.

    2. Deleting/editing individual offending posts. This could include
    major clean-ups of a thread (that would otherwise have been deleted as
    per bhall's above post) on the indication of an official mod.

    3. Moving threads between boards.

    4. Temporarily disable posting on individual threads.

    The rights to suspend users and delete threads would remain
    exclusively with the official mods.

    The powers that be could also create a hidden forum that only the mods could access. If there was a questionable thread, the mods could move the whole thread there until gh has time to review it. It would keep things from getting out of hand and make it much easier to snip the bad bits out of threads without letting them get out of hand.

    Or, as mentioned above, the mods could just lock it.

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  • polevaultpower
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    Re: Removal of unsuitable posts and related issues

    Originally posted by imaginative
    4. If a thread is moved to another board after a longer time, consider
    leaving a dummy thread stating where the original thread can now be
    found. If the original poster was new, then consider sending him an
    email with notification. (It is obvious from some of the queries that
    not all posters have been here long enough to recognize the
    possibility of a moved thread.)
    While it is possible to leave a shadow topic behind when they move threads, they don't do that here and I don't do it on my board. It leaves the boards cluttered. If people want to know where their post went there is an option to view your posts.

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  • malmo
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    Re: Removal of unsuitable posts and related issues

    Instead of wasting your time proposing a 16-point New Deal, why don't you just accept that if your post/thread was taken down it was for good reason? Some of you have way too much invested in your scribbling on an internet message board. It's just not that important.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by Daisy
    Not quite true since bhall moderates too.
    bh has even less time than gh and serves as vice-moderator (it certainly seems) in gh's absence. It also seems as though he's not as quick to pull stuff as gh.

    I have objected to gh's tactics as much as anyone else here, but I also know that the oversight provided here is a much better alternative to being 'too permissive', as we often see elsewhere. I'm actually surprised he doesn't pull more stuff than he does.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by mikli
    I see such an insult more harmful for the forum than the offending posts actually are.
    I'm not sure it happens that often. More often I notice they clip the offending material from the end of a thread. Possibly a few good posts get lost? When a whole thread is lost its often not worth keeping, although, I can't confirm that since they are gone, of course.

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  • mikli
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    Although the moderators have "legal" right to remove whole threads, I would seriously question its "moral" rightness. Many people writing here do that for love of our sports, spending a lot of time doing that. They honestly enjoy sharing the news, their opinions, data, analyses etc. with other fans. By removing whole threads, the moderators show disrespect for these people, and in particular for the original starter of the thread. I see such an insult more harmful for the forum than the offending posts actually are.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    The point is that gh's perspective is unique and no 'volunteer mod' could possibly mind-read him, not would they be interested in trying to second-guess him.
    Not quite true since bhall moderates too.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by imaginative
    give limited mod rights to selected (volunteer) posters
    It it already the First of April already?! :lol:

    The point is that gh's perspective is unique and no 'volunteer mod' could possibly mind-read him, not would they be interested in trying to second-guess him.

    This board is what it is, and if you can just relax and enjoy that, then you'll be much happier.

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  • Daisy
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    For what it is worth here is what i do. It's obvious when a thread is about to expire (mind you not all get the axe). Once its started to head south don't bother contributing to the thread if you are worried about your content being lost for good (or other content that exists in the thread). This has an additional plus side, in that if we all stop contributing to the thread it is more likely to survive.

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  • imaginative
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    It appears, as I originally feared, that the time issue is
    problematic. One possible way of addressing this is to give limited
    mod rights to selected (volunteer) posters---something which is quite
    common on other boards.

    (I assume, for the sake of argument, that there are no political,
    legal, or other issues that would prevent this.)

    As a possible procedure:

    1. Ask for volunteers among posters with 1000+ posts and a 2+-year
    participation.

    2. Filter out any that have a history of getting into fights, have
    been previously suspended, or otherwise may be unsuitable.

    3. Hold a one-day poll for each of the remaining (presumably very few)
    volunteers, and remove any candidate that turns out to lack the
    support of the community.

    Rights of these volunteer mods could include:

    1. Officially admonishing other posters.

    2. Deleting/editing individual offending posts. This could include
    major clean-ups of a thread (that would otherwise have been deleted as
    per bhall's above post) on the indication of an official mod.

    3. Moving threads between boards.

    4. Temporarily disable posting on individual threads.

    The rights to suspend users and delete threads would remain
    exclusively with the official mods.

    Leave a comment:


  • bhall
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    Takes entirely too much time for number one.
    I've been sheriff of late on the board and pulled a couple full threads basically for the reason Epelle identifies- trying to cull bad from good gets very time consuming.

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