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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by Powell
    Originally posted by eldrick
    overall, over 100/200 she was running as well as merlene wih similar physical attributes was doing in '90/'91
    Not at all. Merlene had a career best of 10.74 and second best of 10.78. Marion had one season with SIX runs of 10.72 or faster. In her 1998 incarnation she was WAY better than anyone in history apart from Flo Jo. Actually her season record was arguably more impressive than Flo's, whose 1988 season was a fairly thin one.
    i said overall, meaning for combined 100/200

    mj's frequent 10.7s are countered by otteys' brace of low altitude 21.6s compared to mj's 21.6A & a 21.76

    10.7s have been done by 1/2 dozen + gals, only 2 have run 21.6/better at low-altitude - 21.6 impresses me a lot more than 10.7

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  • tandfman
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    Originally posted by malmo
    She got off lightly in the fraud case
    I don't know. For a mother of two small children, any prison time must have been very painful. On the other hand, given the great harm she inflicted on our sport, I cannot feel sorry for her.

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  • trackrebel
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    Originally posted by malmo
    Originally posted by EPelle
    Isn:t that what the can of worms is about, namely not stating more than what was necessary? They didn:t ask, she didn:t tell.

    Graham:s actions, however deplorable, have proven reliable enough to keep him out of prison - a point Illston made very evident and clear upon sentencing.
    There's a huge gap between Marion Jones and Trevor Graham. Graham was convicted of perjury in the BALCO case, an event that was triggered by Trevor Graham himself, and his cooperation with the Feds. The mitigating factors in Grahams sentencing are easy to see..

    Jones was involved in two cases, BALCO and the mail-fraud scheme. In both cases, she was right at the center, and did not cooperate with the Feds. She got off lightly in the fraud case, given that her bank account was used to kite phony checks.

    Tim Montgomery, why do I have the feeling he was just a tag-along in all of this? He scores the Trifecta: BALCO, Bank Fraud, and Heroin Distribution. I think that Timmy has been watching way too much TV.
    news reports wrote and also the decidions show that Marion knew about the check thing....but never did anything....she never endorsed and was not part of it other than knowing about it....the only thing that got her to prison was that she didn´t know of her exboyfriend and father of her son doing something like that......somehting most people would have done to keep the father of their children out of prison.

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  • malmo
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    Isn:t that what the can of worms is about, namely not stating more than what was necessary? They didn:t ask, she didn:t tell.

    Graham:s actions, however deplorable, have proven reliable enough to keep him out of prison - a point Illston made very evident and clear upon sentencing.
    There's a huge gap between Marion Jones and Trevor Graham. Graham was convicted of perjury in the BALCO case, an event that was triggered by Trevor Graham himself, and his cooperation with the Feds. The mitigating factors in Grahams sentencing are easy to see..

    Jones was involved in two cases, BALCO and the mail-fraud scheme. In both cases, she was right at the center, and did not cooperate with the Feds. She got off lightly in the fraud case, given that her bank account was used to kite phony checks.

    Tim Montgomery, why do I have the feeling he was just a tag-along in all of this? He scores the Trifecta: BALCO, Bank Fraud, and Heroin Distribution. I think that Timmy has been watching way too much TV.

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  • Marlow
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    Looking back at the whole MJ debacle, there are so many lessons that COULD be learned, but sadly won't be. #1 to my mind is that should could have been OG Champion with no artificial aid, but she doubted herself. Lots of bad things happen when you doubt yourself. The PEDs are bad enough, but the lying to everyone (in a book, in big bold red letters (the hubris there was the part that I couldn't fathom and why I kept defending her)) means she sold her soul to the devil.

    Nothing she says now can undo the lies she has told, and there's absolutely no reason why anyone should believe a thing she has to say now.

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  • Powell
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    overall, over 100/200 she was running as well as merlene wih similar physical attributes was doing in '90/'91
    Not at all. Merlene had a career best of 10.74 and second best of 10.78. Marion had one season with SIX runs of 10.72 or faster. In her 1998 incarnation she was WAY better than anyone in history apart from Flo Jo. Actually her season record was arguably more impressive than Flo's, whose 1988 season was a fairly thin one.

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  • EPelle
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    Isn:t that what the can of worms is about, namely not stating more than what was necessary? They didn:t ask, she didn:t tell.

    Graham:s actions, however deplorable, have proven reliable enough to keep him out of prison - a point Illston made very evident and clear upon sentencing.

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  • malmo
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    Originally posted by EPelle
    A refresher on what she stated at the time the "B"-sample exonerated her:
    Yes, we already know what she said THEN, but what about what she said upon her pleading guilty to the Feds?

    EPO admission maybe not. The only ones I can find that corroborated Marions EPO use were Victor Conte, Tim Montgomery, CJ Hunter, and Trevor Graham. None of their testimony has been proven very reliable, has it?

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by malmo
    Originally posted by gh
    I wanna know if her '06 "positive" (where she got cleared when her B was negative) was because the A was a bad test, or if she got lucky on the B, or if she had some masking agent that worked once but not the other, or.....
    .
    How would she know whether or not the testing was bad? The logical conclusion is it was. Unless my memory was wrong, she had already admitted that she was on EPO at the time, and that was corroborated by BALCO records.
    A refresher on what she stated at the time the "B"-sample exonerated her:

    Robin Roberts: “So let me point-blank ask you again: Marion, have you ever, ever taken any type of sports performance-enhancing drug?”

    Marion Jones: “Um...I have always said – and I will continue to say – that I believe in a drug-free sport, I have never, ever taken a performance-enhancing drug, and I’m just quite pleased, happy, ecstatic – any adjective to describe how I feel right now in terms of the fact that um, this “B”-sample proved that, um, that I have never taken a drug, and that I haven’t taken a drug.

    MJ: “And I hope really, Robin that this whole situation with me is used as a catalyst – a catalyst for more research in testing, a catalyst for better confidentiality samples and just to protect the athletes,”

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  • trackrebel
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    Originally posted by guru
    Originally posted by Paul Henry
    seems an injustice she got jail time and TG got house arrest.
    Did I miss where Graham was involved in check fraud related to money laundering?
    The judge in Marion´s case said the bigger part of the punishment was for the lying part on the drugs....because it set such a bad example and he had to make a example out of her.....

    Trevor talked how many of his athletes into taking drugs? Got them to the States? Lied about know Angel Heredia?....It´s a joke this dude doesn´t go to jail, but Marion had to....Marion was in jail longer than Victor.......Tammy Thomas...only 6 months of home confinement.....this whole thing is a joke....and Marion was the scapegoat

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  • malmo
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    Originally posted by gh
    I wanna know if her '06 "positive" (where she got cleared when her B was negative) was because the A was a bad test, or if she got lucky on the B, or if she had some masking agent that worked once but not the other, or.....
    .
    How would she know whether or not the testing was bad? The logical conclusion is it was. Unless my memory was wrong, she had already admitted that she was on EPO at the time, and that was corroborated by BALCO records.

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by gh
    I wanna know if her '06 "positive" (where she got cleared when her B was negative) was because the A was a bad test, or if she got lucky on the B, or if she had some masking agent that worked once but not the other, or.....

    That could be very vital info in staying ahead of the dopers.
    Her legal counsel:s argument was based upon reasonable doubt, just as it had been throughout the context of her legal issues in the sport following her initial connection with doping. They won:t relent now, and she won:t turn over that information, unfortunately.

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by gh
    I wanna know if her '06 "positive" (where she got cleared when her B was negative) was because the A was a bad test, or if she got lucky on the B, or if she had some masking agent that worked once but not the other, or.....

    That could be very vital info in staying ahead of the dopers.
    no chance of masking

    that is a very primitive method in which the basic technique is to increase excretion of drug so as to have smaller detection window ( without "mask", a drug may be detectable for 1 week, with it, it is detectable for 3 - 4 days ) - if A is +ve, so really should be the B

    it's likely it's just not a foolproof test as initially claimed, with incidences of false +ves & false -ves occuring

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  • tandfman
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    Originally posted by gh
    I wanna know if her '06 "positive" (where she got cleared when her B was negative) was because the A was a bad test, or if she got lucky on the B, or if she had some masking agent that worked once but not the other, or.....

    That could be very vital info in staying ahead of the dopers.
    I'd be very surprised if we learned new vital information by watching tomorrow's show.

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by Flumpy
    i want her to fess up to her obviosu drug use from '97 onwards.
    why was it obvious ?

    a 5'10 gal with perfect sprinting technique up against mostly midgets, crushing them is what most observers woud expect

    overall, over 100/200 she was running as well as merlene wih similar physical attributes was doing in '90/'91

    what's the surprise ?

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