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  • eldrick
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    in essence "no"

    that article mentions nothing about charlie training monty to the wr - trevor coached him to that - monty left trevor in december '02

    earliest mention of charlie training monty was in "weeks before" january '03 - after monty had set the wr

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/more/n ... aching_ap/

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  • EPelle
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    In essence, yes. You already know this.

    The plan, dubbed "Project World Record," was reportedly born in the backrooms of the BALCO offices in late 2000. The plan was to make Montgomery a world-record holder, and in turn, help promote BALCO's legal supplement ZMA, the paper reported.

    Montgomery posted a world-best time of 9.78 seconds in the 100 metres less than two years later in Paris.

    The paper, citing sources and corroborating documents, named Montgomery, Francis, Conte, track coach Trevor Graham and strength coach Milos Sarcev as the five masterminds behind the project.

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    According to the article, the group decided to keep its union a secret because it didn't want to be publicly associated with Francis.
    Like I said: sad story from a lady prone to telling wild lies and suing anyone who dared challenge her.

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  • eldrick
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    did charlie train him to 9.78 ?

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  • EPelle
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    Yep. Good ole Charlie was in the picture before they moved up there to train with him, a person Jones stated she didn:t know, nor had really heard of.

    Yep.

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  • eldrick
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    monty already had the wr by then, so "project wr" was already accomplished before he went to charlie

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  • EPelle
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    It was on Montgomery:s, and it was on Francis mind, who, along with Conte, collaborated on an illegal scheme to get Montgomery the WR. Jones must have moved with Montgomery strictly for the nice ride and view up there and then denied knowing Francis or having any connection with him because of ______ (fill in the blank).

    It was a sad story... one of many told by a person inherently adverse to facts and married to a fictional portrait of truth.

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  • eldrick
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    seeing as she was pregnant from sept '02, i doubt any project wr was on her mind...

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    or perhaps they went to him for obstetric advice...
    That:s right. Project World Record. Fix a few mechanics.

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  • tandfman
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    Originally posted by nokick
    Dear Oprah,

    Let's have equal time. Put on Lauren Williams, Dick Pond, and Gwen Torrance.

    Sincerely
    People with a brain
    Dear Oprah,

    Never mind that. Instead, put on Lauryn Williams, Dick Pound, and Gwen Torrence.

    Sincerely,
    People with a brain who know how to spell.

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    Dear Oprah,

    Let's have equal time. Put on Lauren Williams, Dick Pond, and Gwen Torrance.

    Sincerely
    People with a brain

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  • eldrick
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    or perhaps they went to him for obstetric advice...

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  • EPelle
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    Originally posted by eldrick
    as for charlie francis connection, that was latter in her career & not her coach in '97 when she burst onto the scene
    Yet, she (and Montgomery) sought Francis for reasons neither legal nor ethical, AND did so in late 2002 -- two years before she was to have been on EPO.

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  • eldrick
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    Originally posted by CookyMonzta
    She ran a 20.8 split at the 2000 Penn Relays.
    you have to add ~1.0s for open race conversion

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  • eldrick
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    it may have worked for juiced spriners, but there are plenty of sprinters who don't have ideal arm movements at the start - by your logic, all of them are drugged ?

    as for charlie francis connection, that was latter in her career & not her coach in '97 when she burst onto the scene

    the 200wr was highly unlikely - do i need to remind you again that she was better at 100 rather than 200 - to run 21.3 wouda required 10.65 ability & translate that ability perfectly to 200

    it may have been well known to you she had a funny leg, but it wasn't obvious to most - the commenatators noticed it in '97 not because they were looking for it, but because it was so damn obvious on the replays !

    besides, obvious when pressed hardly holds as beween '97 - '01, she hardly, if ever, was pressed !

    as for ben's start, my gut feeling is that francis believed that if he tried to instil an orthodox action in him, that might have upset his start ( veering to one side or another ) - straight-up action is great if you are guaranteed to move out of the blocks in a straight line, but if you are not likely to do that, then a widespread action is better to allow a straight line start

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  • Smoke
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    eldrick it worked for juiced sprinters only. but besides that, your theory would hold true if not for the fact that we now know she was coaced in part by CF. Seeing the start and race pattern it is not a mystery any longer. No longer a strange coincidence.

    You reminded me of something too. She sat there telling us she had no idea. Well lets see, all of TG's positives were happening while she was there, so she trained with these folks. She actively sought out CF and claimed to not know he was associated with drugs. CJ and Tim were busted while living with her. LMAO

    She would have had the 200 wr before 2000 had she made any type of technical improvement in her arm swing.

    Her funny leg was known well before she lost, hwo do you think people knew to look for it. It was always there, including in 1997. Whenever pressed it was there.

    On a side note, the power and explosion Ben possessed, any start would have "worked". What we do know is the folks that have successfully executed that start ave turned up snake eyes in the end.

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