Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Bar Stool Economics

Collapse

Unconfigured Ad Widget

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Bar Stool Economics

    I hope this is deemed bi-partisan enough to satisfy the mods.

    BAR STOOL ECONOMICS

    Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten
    comes to $100.

    If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something
    like this:

    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
    The fifth would pay $1.
    The sixth would pay $3.
    The seventh would pay $7.
    The eighth would pay $12.
    The ninth would pay $18.
    The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.

    So, that's what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every
    day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the
    owner threw them a curve.

    'Since you are all such good customers, he said, I'm going to reduce the
    cost of your daily beer by $20.

    Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.

    The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the
    first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But
    what about the other six men - the paying customers? How could they
    divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his 'fair share?'

    They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted
    that from everybody's share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would
    each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested
    that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same
    amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.!

    And so:

    The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
    The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
    The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
    The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
    The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
    The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).

    Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued
    to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to
    compare their savings.

    'I only got a dollar out of the $20, 'declared the sixth man. He pointed
    to the tenth man, 'but he got $10!'

    'Yeah, that's right,' exclaimed the fifth man. 'I only saved a dollar,
    too.
    It's unfair that he got ten times more than I!'

    'That's true!!' shouted the seventh man. 'Why should he get $10 back
    when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!'*

    'Wait a minute,' yelled the first four men in unison. 'We didn't get
    anything at all. The system exploits the poor!'

    The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.

    The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks, so the nine sat
    down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill,
    they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money
    between all of them for even half of the bill!

    And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our
    tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most
    benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being
    wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might
    start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.

    David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
    Professor of Economics, University of Georgia

    For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
    For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible

  • #2
    The above story is sort of how INCOME taxes work, but payroll taxes (social security, etc) are more on the regressive side and ignored completely by that scenario, as are sales taxes (i know, not federal).

    Comment


    • #3
      Just as the man said: no explanation necessary

      Comment


      • #4
        The next night the tenth man didn't show up for drinks
        and right there is where the analogy fails. When the 10th man doesn't show up, The Iris Brothers show up at his house, break both kneecaps and kindly escort him back to the bar, where he graciously decides to pick up the tab for everyone. :twisted:

        Comment


        • #5
          Dang! They play rough in Euphoria Falls.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by lonewolf
            Dang! They play rough in Euphoria Falls.
            Nope, we jus' take drinkin' real serious round these parts. :twisted:

            Comment


            • #7
              Of course, what's missing from this picture is that the 10th guy has three times as much money as the other 9 guys put together which he made while the first 4 guys worked for buttons in the 10th guy's factories.

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by AthleticsInBritain
                Of course, what's missing from this picture is that the 10th guy has three times as much money as the other 9 guys put together which he made while the first 4 guys worked for buttons in the 10th guy's factories.
                And your point is.....?

                Comment


                • #9
                  Great story, lonewolf! Heavy on the "story" part.
                  I would love to hear the correlation to what has happened to the USA and global economy lately. I'm assuming it's the little guys fault...must be if there is any truth in your original story, right?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rasb
                    Great story, lonewolf! Heavy on the "story" part.
                    I would love to hear the correlation to what has happened to the USA and global economy lately. I'm assuming it's the little guys fault...must be if there is any truth in your original story, right?
                    Well, it is not my story. I am not that clever. I just thought it was an amusing satirical commentary on our tax system.
                    Heck, I don't even understand your closing assumption.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Originally posted by lonewolf
                      Heck, I don't even understand your closing assumption.
                      In the US and throughout most of the rest of the world, the tenth man would have paid off a politician for $10 to get a beer subsidy of $30 per night(to create jobs for the bartender). Of this $30, $10 of course would have covered the lobbying expense, $10 would go in his own pocket, $1 would go to the bartender to keep his mouth shut, and $9 would go to the bar.

                      The Bar would give him a kickback of $10 each night for bringing in his 9 buddies to make them into alcoholics, repeat customers for life.

                      The Bar would then raise their prices to $130 citing inflation and higher taxes.

                      The tenth richest man would then secure his finances in a Dutch Holding Company managed by a trust in Ireland which invests in Chase and Bank of America. He would then explain to his buddies that he is as poor as the rest of them and can’t afford to pay himself as he cries into his beer that night citing his latest financial report which shows him to be broke on paper so that he doesn’t have to pay taxes in the United States ever again.

                      Citing his former generosity, the other nine men would agree that the tenth man can now pay nothing like the 4 poorest.

                      The others would then be faced with an adjusted amount of

                      * The fifth would pay $3.
                      * The sixth would pay $10.
                      * The seventh would pay $22.
                      * The eighth would pay $38.
                      * The ninth would pay $57.

                      Now the group would recognize that this is not fair and so would lobby the Government for an Earned Drinking Credit for the Poorest men. The government would oblige and give the four poorest men $2 each, but they would tax the 5th - 9th men $2 each as well.

                      * 4 men receive a total of $8 and 5 men pay $10.

                      The adjusted amounts would then look like this for all 10

                      * First Receives $2 pays $2 | Net 0
                      * Second Receives $2 pays $2 | Net 0
                      * Third Receives $2 pays $2 | Net 0
                      * Fourth Receives $2 pays $2 | Net 0
                      * Fifth Pay $1 to bar pays $2 to tax | net paid $3
                      * Sixth Pay $8 to bar; pays $2 to tax | net paid $10
                      * Seventh Pay $20 to bar; pays $2 to tax | net paid $22
                      * Eighth Pay $36 to bar pays $2 to tax | net paid $38
                      * Ninth Pay $55 to bar; pays $2 to tax | net paid $57
                      * Tenth Man: Tax Credit Received: $30 ;
                      Pays $10 to politician;
                      $1 to bartender;
                      Receives $10 from Bar
                      Net RECEIVED $29 per night and free beer

                      Continued at Source

                      Snopes commentary on the authorship of the original. It's an interesting read.

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Id say between Daisy and lonewolf we have a pretty clear picture. Daisy's model probably works well in NY and lonewolf's likewise in Georgia. Culture determines almost everything, taxes included.
                        ... nothing really ever changes my friend, new lines for old, new lines for old.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Originally posted by paulthefan
                          Id say between Daisy and lonewolf we have a pretty clear picture. Daisy's model probably works well in NY and lonewolf's likewise in Georgia. Culture determines almost everything, taxes included.
                          Just to be clear, i don't claim authorship.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Daisy
                            Originally posted by paulthefan
                            Id say between Daisy and lonewolf we have a pretty clear picture. Daisy's model probably works well in NY and lonewolf's likewise in Georgia. Culture determines almost everything, taxes included.
                            Just to be clear, i don't claim authorship.
                            Shucks, I was bowled over by your economic perspicacity.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lonewolf
                              Shucks, I was bowled over by your economic perspicacity.
                              Is there a smiley for sarcasm? If so, I think you forgot to add it on the end there :P

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X