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  • Texas
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    The fastest 40 I know of for Bullet Bob Hayes was a hand timed 4.4. I 'm guessing that was ran on a grass football field. As we know Hayes was a 5.9 world record holder in the old 60 yarder. As we also know he was no slouch as a starter. He wasn't like a Carl Lewis who gained on everyone at the end, he was out quickly. So if the great Bullet Bob Hayes is stuck in 4.4ville I have a real hard time accepting a 4.22 from a..."who?" If somebody got the jump on Hayes he could probably have cooked a 4.3 but that would still pale in comparision to ..."who?"

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  • gh
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    Re: The football 100 metres

    Originally posted by lafleur
    Here's a quote from Jim Tomlin taken from the article that I can't link."I was clocked at 4.22 in the 40 at our training camp at San Diego,California.Tom Fears said he had never seen a faster 40 in all his years and they saved the stopwatch with the exact time on it.It was in the Saints office for several years I understand."So maybe you do not know of this guy is simply because we can't know everything.Simple.
    The clue there is "stopwatch"; it's a hand time, and probably a bad one. Absolutely meaningless.

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  • lafleur
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    www.zoominfo.com/people/Tomlin_Jim_690114704.aspx

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  • bijanc
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    Clyde "Smackover" Scott, College Football HOF

    http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/e ... tryID=2761

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Scott

    Bad dude.

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  • Texas
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    Re: The football 100 metres

    Originally posted by lafleur
    Here's a quote from Jim Tomlin taken from the article that I can't link."I was clocked at 4.22 in the 40 at our training camp at San Diego,California.Tom Fears said he had never seen a faster 40 in all his years and they saved the stopwatch with the exact time on it.It was in the Saints office for several years I understand."So maybe you do not know of this guy is simply because we can't know everything.Simple.
    Come on bro, that coming from Mr.Tomlin..?????? Who was timing 40's in electro times back then?

    The deal is if he played football and ran track I've done all I can to keep up with that aspect of sports. I guess you could say...hobby. Started doing this around 62 or so. If somebody did slip by I would be surprised. Tomlin playing in the CFL might be how he slipped by. I don't look there. I do know about George Reed however 8-)

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  • lafleur
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    The football 100 metres

    Here's a quote from Jim Tomlin taken from the article that I can't link."I was clocked at 4.22 in the 40 at our training camp at San Diego,California.Tom Fears said he had never seen a faster 40 in all his years and they saved the stopwatch with the exact time on it.It was in the Saints office for several years I understand."So maybe you do not know of this guy is simply because we can't know everything.Simple.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by lafleur
    www.zoominfo.com/people/Tomlin_Jim_691409338.aspx[/url][/u] If not just google Jim Tomlin Stephen F.Austin University.
    If you look at my original post you'll notice Andrew Hopkins in heat 2. He's the 100m leader at SFA with a 10.1. He also had a 9.2 100 yarder. Why would I be aware of him and not Tomlin? I don't pay attention to windy times so....hmm? All I've found on Tomlin is this...

    "In a flat-out race, John Carlos would beat me every time I ran against him, which was about 15 or 16 times in all the track meets I ran against him," Tomlin told Sportsnet.ca. "I did beat him one time anchoring the 440-yard conference relay in 1967 in San Marcos, Texas. We set the record that day, but I never beat him in the 100 or 220. If I ran a 9.4, he'd run a 9.3 or I ran a 9.3, he'd run a 9.2."

    He might have slipped thru the cracks but it would surprise me. What's with those electro times didn't he run before that became the way things were done?

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  • lafleur
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    www.zoominfo.com/people/Tomlin_Jim_691409338.aspx[/url][/u] If not just google Jim Tomlin Stephen F.Austin University.

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  • Texas
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    Re: The football 100 metres

    Originally posted by lafleur
    Hurdlers and the NFL?How could you have missed '48 silver medalist Clyde Scott?As far as your knowledge on fast white guys goes you need to do more research and get an update.I could give you some obvious players but I'll go with the more obscure.There was Bert Coan who ran a 9.4 100 yard dash,Craig Baynham a 9.7 and Norm Bulaich.Yup,Boo ran a 9.6.A wideout by the name of Doug Donley of the Cowboys ran 4.3 in the 40.Jim Tomlin was a corner in the CFL but I'll include him because of his great speed.He ran a 9.27 in the 100 and in the 40 a smoking 4.22.Now go do some more studying.
    Did I not mention 9.5/10.40 as far as sprinters go? Bert Coan the old Cheifs running back and a 9.4? I saw him play both at Kansas and in the old AFL. I never got the feeling he was overly fast. The speedster with the Cheifs was Abner Haynes who kept Coan on the bench. Yes I've read that 9.4 but always thought.....windy!!!!

    Bro, I've been at this since the early 60's, if he ran track and played NFL football I'm aware of him.....trust me! Clyde Scott might have slipped by because he came before the 60's. Yes I have boned up on those tracksters/footballers prior to the 60's so I'm guessing Scott did little on the football field for him to go unnoticed.

    Jim Tomlin did not run a 9.27/4.22. Where did you get that?

    I 'm pretty confident I can hang if we are talking speed and the NFL.

    The All Time NFL 110's would look like this...

    lane

    1.Milt Campbell...Indiana
    2.Jerry Tarr...Oregon
    3.Earl McCullouch...USC
    4.Renaldo Nehemiah...Maryland
    5.Willie Gault...Tennessee
    6.Rod Woodson....Purdue
    7.Richmond Flowers...Tennnessee
    8.James Owens...UCLA

    ...you disagree?

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  • lafleur
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    The football 100 metres

    Hurdlers and the NFL?How could you have missed '48 silver medalist Clyde Scott?As far as your knowledge on fast white guys goes you need to do more research and get an update.I could give you some obvious players but I'll go with the more obscure.There was Bert Coan who ran a 9.4 100 yard dash,Craig Baynham a 9.7 and Norm Bulaich.Yup,Boo ran a 9.6.A wideout by the name of Doug Donley of the Cowboys ran 4.3 in the 40.Jim Tomlin was a corner in the CFL but I'll include him because of his great speed.He ran a 9.27 in the 100 and in the 40 a smoking 4.22.Now go do some more studying.

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by sprintblox
    You guys forgot Deion Sanders, whose 10.26 and 20.71 are still on Florida State's all-time top 10.
    Now there's a guy like Darrel Green who might have really been something in the sprints if not for football. He's up there now~!

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  • Texas
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    Originally posted by Halfmiler2
    Doesn't Jim Thorpe fit in here somewhere? What about other early names who were both t&f and football?
    I went with what was actually ran. Thorpe never ran a 9.5/10.40. As far as I know nobody pre Buddy Young/Bob Boyd was running a sub 9.6. What did Army's Glenn "Mr.Outside" Davis run?

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  • sprintblox
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    You guys forgot Deion Sanders, whose 10.26 and 20.71 are still on Florida State's all-time top 10.

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  • Halfmiler2
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    Doesn't Jim Thorpe fit in here somewhere? What about other early names who were both t&f and football?

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  • jhc68
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    Yeah, Napolean Kaufman never ran faster than 10.4 that I know of... but he was not just a quick guy. He doubled at the California State Meet with a stronger 200 than 100 (10.57 / 21.15) as an 11th grader and never ran seriously again on the track. He was one very fast dude, we'll never know how fast he could have become but I'd bet a lot of money on him versus some of the other names being thrown around on this thread, especially a lot of the hurdlers.

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