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  • what constitutes "fair use"?

    some websites pushing the envelope it would seem

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/02/busin ... crape.html

  • #2
    From my experience In print publishing, "fair use" is an ill-defined grey area, largely at the whim of the copyright holder. It is advisable to obtain permission for fair use in advance or be prepared to negotiate from a position of weakness after the alleged transgression. Same goes for song lyrics. Some lyric owners are eager for any exposure, others have unrealistic opinions of the value of their words. .

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    • #3
      Word of the Day - scraping

      But some media executives are growing concerned that the increasingly popular curators of the Web that are taking large pieces of the original work — a practice sometimes called scraping — are shaving away potential readers and profiting from the content.
      Scraping will redefine not only our concept of 'fair use', but plagiarism also. More and more people are assuming that anything they find on the internet is fair game, because, after all (they will reason), it's in the public domain already. Since no one is charging a fee (yet) for this material, it must be free, and therefore 'I don't need to cite it'.

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      • #4
        The train is getting very close now and the newspapers know it, even the previously untouchables are bleeding red ink in buckets.

        They may have survived radio and TV, but the internet is a whole different animal. The demise of another major US daily last week, and our local paper here forcing 2 week furloughs on everyone, it's a desperate time - expect more desperate measures. But it's only delaying the inevitable.
        There are no strings on me

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        • #5
          Death of newspapers = death of credible free online news.

          Another industry - porn - is starting to feel the effects of the Internet, but in this case unfair use: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 160F55.DTL

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          • #6
            Is anyone else's daily paper getting noticeably thinner? My rag must be down 20 pages a day in the last year. And the comics are all smashed onto one page - very minutely. :evil: :evil: :evil:

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            • #7
              I've heard the newspaper struggle attributed as much to Craigslist as to a dearth of standard advertisers. Who looks to a newspaper for job listings or used cars anymore?

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Marlow
                Is anyone else's daily paper getting noticeably thinner? My rag must be down 20 pages a day in the last year.
                Our rag hasn't changed much in size but has been dropping original content in favor of wire reports.

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                • #9
                  The Oklahoma Publishing Company published a morning ane evening paper for more than 80 years. Several years ago they dropped the evening paper.
                  Earlier this year, they downsized the format to a jumbo tabloid size, added more color, shortened articles, cut out some comics,. actually an improvement IMO, much easier to read the paper while eating breakfast now.
                  Sports page is pretty well devoted to OU football year round, with OU basketball in season if they are doing well. In their defense, several years ago the paper did have a back page filler mentioning that OU baseball won the NCAA Ch. No stats from the Big 12 T&F Ch this past weekend. In fact, no pre mention that the meet was upcoming or post meet results agate. I did find a one line filler in an inside grab-bag column that OU long jumper Mock won the LJ on her last attempt.
                  I have no idea how the paper is doing financially. It is owned by the Gaylord family, the richest family you never hear of. Radio, TV, Broadmoor Hotel, Opryland, OKC Thunder NBA basketball.

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                  • #10
                    As I understand it, fair use of newspaper articles is approx 25% of the article and you have to get permission to use any more than that. Citation, naturally, is an absolute must.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Marlow
                      Is anyone else's daily paper getting noticeably thinner? My rag must be down 20 pages a day in the last year. And the comics are all smashed onto one page - very minutely. :evil: :evil: :evil:
                      Yeah, the local rag here in San Diego, the Union-Tribune has been scrunching for more than a year. The want ads share a section with the business pages and staff cuts/buyouts are pretty heavy. They no longer have a movie critic (which is too bad, the guy was pretty infallible, if he hated it, I would like it, and vice-versa. Such people are needed). The music critic went away about 6 month ago. They do have staffers doing the occasional review, but not as a matter of course. They do still have a drama critic, but for how long. The sports page is pretty grim. Rule of thumb, if there isn't a local team, good luck on coverage. They do the NBA (but crappy box scores), and have standings for NHL. Track & Field? We don't need no T&F. Coverage of USATF was not quite 2 inches in the digest section. No sums. They actually did some sums for the Mt West indoor, winners and SDSU placers for the women. SDSU has no men's program, so nada. They do have two crosswords every day, so that solves potential arguments

                      I have noticed in my last few visits to the bay area that the Chronicle has been shrinking. Pages seem smaller and the editorial page seems to be disappearing. The San Jose Mercury-News is really pretty tiny anymore.

                      I guess I am doomed to live to see the complete demise of the daily newspaper (USA Today doesn't count, and no that it no longer runs the weekly NFL & NBA stat pages, has no reason to exist). Damn, a 64 year addiction dies hard

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mike renfro
                        Damn, a 64 year addiction dies hard
                        Exactly. Mine is 50 years old, because by the time I was in the 3rd grade, I was reading our paper on a daily basis. First the comics, then sports, then front page, etc. My morning sanity depends on being able to go out, get the paper and read it over my breakfast. On days when it's late or, god forbid, not there at all, I get VERY cranky. :evil:

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                        • #13
                          I started reading at 3 years, and the newspaper followed soonly. Of course, it was the Spokesman Review, so I'm not sure that counts as a newpaper :shock:

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                          • #14
                            http://www.harpers.org/archive/2007/02/0081387

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