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  • #16
    Originally posted by Marlow
    Police say Angel Vidal Mendoza appeared to be under the influence of PCP
    I realize I'm going to be roundly booed by EVERYONE else here, but once you see what drugs/alcohol can do to lower one's sense of responsibility/accountability, then how can you say they're 'harmless'? Diminished capacity, my *ss; he should have known that things could go wrong, and this time, they did.

    Spare me your backlash - yes, I'm being smarmy and sanctimonious and self-righteous and holier-than-thou and any other invective you wish to throw at me, but . . . I don't drink alcohol or smoke dope or anything like that, nor do I condone their use . . .

    Rant over . . . sorry . . . this story is MESSED UP!
    I agree with you 100%. It is time to holy it is time to pray! This story just illustrates how the devil is working in peoples lives.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Marlow
      Originally posted by bad hammy
      Like Frank Sinatra said: "I feel sorry for folks who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning that's as good as they're going to feel all day."
      Thank you for making my point. I wake up and feel great all day long. Hangovers waste half your day - who's got that much time to waste?! Carpe denim - seize the Levis!
      Originally posted by bad hammy
      Originally posted by Marlow
      . . I don't drink alcohol or smoke dope . . .
      Your posts would probably be more coherent if you did . . .

      :P
      You make my point all the time!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by bad hammy
        You make my point all the time!
        different circumstance, same sentiment:

        [for the second time today, copyrighted cartoon images cut; this is about to become a banning offense]

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        • #19
          I'm intrigued, all the arguments on this board seem to be due to black or white positions being established.

          Paraphrasing (sorry if I get them slight wrong) some recent ones:
          • Only the south was racist.
            All hunters are as bad as Vick.
            All drugs will lead to abuse.
            Diack thinks that street races are a bad idea.

          What ever happened to the nuances of reality? Which world do you want?

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          • #20
            Daisy, you are a genius! Or at least pretty smart.
            phsstt!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Daisy
              I'm intrigued, all the arguments on this board seem to be due to black or white positions being established.
              Paraphrasing (sorry if I get them slight wrong) some recent ones:
              • All hunters are as bad as Vick.
                All drugs will lead to abuse.
              What ever happened to the nuances of reality? Which world do you want?
              I like your rationality, but at some point don't you ever have take a stand on principle alone (i.e., black and white)? Child pornography? Rape? The Holocaust? Clearly those are B&W issues. It just so happens that I (and others) have stances on less clear 'issues' that are unpopular, but we feel deeply about them. Did I join PETA or Carrie Nation's Temperance League? Nah, but I only see one side of those issues, hunting for sport (fun . . . pleasure) is bad and so are drugs/alcohol. Neither are on purely moral grounds; I truly believe that hunting is just cruel and that drugs/alcohol are abused enough to the point where I (and I do mean just me) want nothing to do with them. Does that make sense? Maybe not. I can't help it; that's just how I feel. Do I go out of my way to make hunters/drinkers/dopers feel bad? No. That's their issue and as has been pointed out, it's legal (or at least socially acceptable).

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Marlow
                Originally posted by Daisy
                • All hunters are as bad as Vick.
                  All drugs will lead to abuse.
                I like your rationality, but at some point don't you ever have take a stand on principle alone (i.e., black and white)? Child pornography? Rape? The Holocaust?
                Mmm, I thought we were talking about hunting and drugs? These examples seem a bit extreme by comparison, no?

                Actually, there is a precedent for child pornography having grey areas. For example, clearly a mothers pictures of her kids in the bath are not child pornography. Yet, a British newsreader, Julia Somerville, was arrested for that very thing (although not convicted).

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Daisy
                  Originally posted by Marlow
                  Originally posted by Daisy
                  • All hunters are as bad as Vick.
                    All drugs will lead to abuse.
                  I like your rationality, but at some point don't you ever have take a stand on principle alone (i.e., black and white)? Child pornography? Rape? The Holocaust?
                  Mmm, I thought we were talking about hunting and drugs? These examples seem a bit extreme by comparison, no?

                  Actually, there is a precedent for child pornography having grey areas. For example, clearly a mothers pictures of her kids in the bath are not child pornography. Yet, a British newsreader, Julia Somerville, was arrested for that very thing (although not convicted).
                  Rape is also not always a black and white issue. Party, drinking, passing out, nobody remembers much...

                  Marlow, your blank condemnation of drinking bothers me. I do drink, at times my alcohol blood level is clearly above legal. Yet, my criminal record contains a few speeding tickets, nothing else. I never drank while working or driving. I did not neglect or abuse my wife, children or grandchildren. My liver enzymes still look pretty good. I am sure, tandfman, Bad Hammy and Daisy have similar drinking, criminal and social record as I do. Where are we committing this mortal sin?
                  "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                  by Thomas Henry Huxley

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Pego
                    I am sure, tandfman, Bad Hammy and Daisy have similar drinking, criminal and social record as I do. Where are we committing this mortal sin?
                    Pego,

                    Thank you for the good character witness - I will call you next time I'm on trial!

                    There is no reasoning with the man - he is holier than thou and we cannot argue that we have not been tainted by demon rum.

                    Back to the original post, now we have mom killing son, sorta twice, and burying him in a playground sandbox.

                    She placed her hand over her son's mouth and nose and suffocated him. She had second thoughts about what she did. She performed CPR on her son, brought him back to life and then decided to go forward with that original act she had started to commit.
                    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/05/21/nm. ... index.html

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                    • #25
                      She placed her hand over her son's mouth and nose and suffocated him. She had second thoughts about what she did. She performed CPR on her son, brought him back to life and then decided to go forward with that original act she had started to commit.

                      The most sick thing i have read. How can i kill you twice if i dont bring you back. in a perfect world she could kill her son over and over forever. Happy Memorial day everyone. :cry:
                      phsstt!

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Pego
                        Marlow, your blank condemnation of drinking bothers me. I do drink, at times my alcohol blood level is clearly above legal. Yet, my criminal record contains a few speeding tickets, nothing else. I never drank while working or driving. I did not neglect or abuse my wife, children or grandchildren. My liver enzymes still look pretty good. I am sure, tandfman, Bad Hammy and Daisy have similar drinking, criminal and social record as I do. Where are we committing this mortal sin?
                        Y'all are clearly misperceiving my message. Of course many people drink responsibly, and I'm sure some people smoke dope responsibly (well, as responsibly as one can when breaking the law). My mom drank wine with dinner often. Liked her a LOT! My point is that altering one's consciousness CAN lead to poor judgement. Everyone exhibits enough poor judgement enough as it is, so I'm not down with anything that exacerbates an already precarious situation (our ability to harm ourselves or others stone-cold sober).Interesting that bad hammy made the remark, 'there's no reasoning with the guy.' My only rationale for my position is cold hard logic. It is not a religious belief (wine being an intrinsic part of many faiths), and my morals are no better than anyone else's, which is why I always laugh when people (like certain ones here) think I'm acting sanctimonious, holier-than-thou, or self-righteous (which is why I said it sarcastically in an earlier post). I'm just another Joe Schlub who happens to harbor some very unpopular ideas. Sue me. Ya won't get much! :P

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Marlow
                          My point is that altering one's consciousness CAN lead to poor judgement.
                          According to your posts, not altering one's consciousness definitely leads to bad judgment (and spelling, Mr. TOE).

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by bad hammy
                            Originally posted by Marlow
                            My point is that altering one's consciousness CAN lead to poor judgement.
                            According to your posts, not altering one's consciousness definitely leads to bad judgment (and spelling, Mr. TOE).
                            At least with Marlow's compulsive holier-than-thouness, the name of this thread is now appropriate...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by bad hammy
                              leads to bad judgment (and spelling, Mr. TOE).
                              To spell judgement without an "e," while spelling abridgement, acknowledgement, arrangement, engagement, and the 40 other words in English with a soft "g" before -ment with an "e," is an act of bewildering inconsistency that makes learning the spelling system unnecessarily difficult.
                              http://www.alphadictionary.com/articles ... gment.html

                              As to Mr. Mark's 'kind words' above, he obviously did not read my last post. . . . sigh . . .

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