NYT: Sosa Said to Test Positive in 2003

[CunnySewer]

It doesn't matter that they did not destroy some "list" because they should not have been able to build one with actual names of players in the first place if the tests were given anonymously as agreed upon. You'd simply have an anonymous list of pos/neg results:

Anonymous1: neg
Anonymous2: pos
Anonymous3: pos
Anonymous4: neg
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[Daisy]

It doesn't matter that they did not destroy some "list" because they should not have been able to build one with actual names

Certainly strange that they felt the need to build a list with real names. One can only assume that it was never on their radar that the players would ever be on a hit list.

[bhall]

This is baseball we're talking about. Both players and management made the rope, scaffold, and hired the executioner. What did you think was going to happen? I hold zero sympathy for a sport that completely turned its back on modern testing for the better part of 2 decades and continues to have a sham of a testing system.

PS- No I don't think this is the end of baseball it is just an analogy.

[CunnySewer]

Certainly strange that they felt the need to build a list with real names. One can only assume that it was never on their radar that the players would ever be on a hit list.

More strange for me is not WHY they built the list but HOW they built such a list from only anonymous samples -can't quite reconcile this concept.

[CunnySewer]

This is baseball we're talking about. Both players and management made the rope, scaffold, and hired the executioner. What did you think was going to happen? I hold zero sympathy for a sport that completely turned its back on modern testing for the better part of 2 decades and continues to have a sham of a testing system.

PS- No I don't think this is the end of baseball it is just an analogy.

Any testing system that is cloaked in secrecy is a sham system as far as I'm concerned. The system will always be a sham system until the athletes tested are given split samples that they can send to independent labs, and all tests are performed under open standards that are robust and reliable.

[cullman]

This is baseball we're talking about. Both players and management made the rope, scaffold, and hired the executioner. What did you think was going to happen? I hold zero sympathy for a sport that completely turned its back on modern testing for the better part of 2 decades and continues to have a sham of a testing system.

MLB or the Player's Union apparently had no qualms about showing the list to outsiders. Will Carroll claims to have seen the list during the writing of his book The Juice: The Real Story of Baseball's Drug Problems. I heard him on ESPN dropping a few names. Carroll mentioned that he was surprised at first at the number of middle relievers and pitchers in general on the list.

cman

[bad hammy]

Yawn.

In general, a baseball cap and a bat in hand should be a dead giveaway.

I laugh every time I see someone here make such a comment. The same could be said with more proof about anyone lacing up a pair of track spikes . . .

[scottmitchell74]

I remember when people hammered Canseco for saying, what, 50 or 80% (something like that). Now, he's the one that's been the most spot-on the whole time.

[CunnySewer]

If these tests were never really anonymous, the integrity of the process is shot and takes on different color...The only way around these integrity issues is to give the athletes the ability test splits under the same documented process.

[Dutra]

This is baseball we're talking about. Both players and management made the rope, scaffold, and hired the executioner. What did you think was going to happen? I hold zero sympathy for a sport that completely turned its back on modern testing for the better part of 2 decades and continues to have a sham of a testing system.

MLB or the Player's Union apparently had no qualms about showing the list to outsiders. Will Carroll claims to have seen the list during the writing of his book The Juice: The Real Story of Baseball's Drug Problems. I heard him on ESPN dropping a few names. Carroll mentioned that he was surprised at first at the number of middle relievers and pitchers in general on the list.

cman

The leak seems to be coming from the legal system. The Feds, an attorney for a player, both.

[BisonHurdler]

Yawn.

In general, a baseball cap and a bat in hand should be a dead giveaway.

I laugh every time I see someone here make such a comment. The same could be said with more proof about anyone lacing up a pair of track spikes . . .

Sadly, I don't usually feel all that differently about people lacing up a pair of track spikes either . . .

[CunnySewer]

I remember when people hammered Canseco for saying, what, 50 or 80% (something like that). Now, he's the one that's been the most spot-on the whole time.

Not trying to make light of the real cheaters, but my primary concern is the integrity of the process. I've become disenchanted with the process. There are glaring problems with basic checks and balances, chain of custody, storage, and verification of testing procedures themselves...somewhat astounded by what seems to be willful ignorance of analytical testing procedures.

[CunnySewer]

Certainly strange that they felt the need to build a list with real names. One can only assume that it was never on their radar that the players would ever be on a hit list.

There was never any agreement to destroy the results from what I've read. The results were just meant to confidential. The part I still have not be able to bridge is how they went from anonymous to knowing whose names are associated with each anonymous test.

[CunnySewer]

Sadly, I don't usually feel all that differently about people lacing up a pair of track spikes either . . .

Do you have a high degree of confidence in the testing process?

[CunnySewer]

MLB or the Player's Union apparently had no qualms about showing the list to outsiders. Will Carroll claims to have seen the list during the writing of his book The Juice: The Real Story of Baseball's Drug Problems. I heard him on ESPN dropping a few names. Carroll mentioned that he was surprised at first at the number of middle relievers and pitchers in general on the list.

cman

The leak seems to be coming from the legal system. The Feds, an attorney for a player, both.

:?: So there's not only a list with known names but someone outside has seen the list AND written a book about it :?:

If what's bolded in the quote is true, do you see how there's a little bit of credibility/integrity problem with the process agreed to by MLB and the MLBPA? The JDA clearly states the test were to be both confidential and anonymous. How can they develop a list of known names from anonymous list?

Also, why no real check and balances designed into the system. These are supposed to be robust analytical procedures. It should be relatively easy for any certified lab to perform openly documented test procedures. Split samples that the athlete could send to a certified lab of his/her choosing would greatly aid the credibility of any drug testing process don't you think?