Rename: Ghazal Omid on the Iranian Revolution

[jazzcyclist]

Excellent post dakota.

[jazzcyclist]

Members of the Iranian National Soccer team have joined folks like tommie Smith and Jon Carlos as athletes who were willing to take a moral stand and pay the price for it.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 56,00.html

[Pego]

Dakota, superb analysis. Just one comment from me (and one to jazzcyclist).

In that respect it's like they're cannibalising their own mirror image.

Most revolutions have done it. I think it was Lenin, who observed (paraphrased, don't remember the exact quote) "Revolutions devour their parents."

as Eisenhower did in Hungary in the 1950's

Eisenower had no choice in '56 Hungary (just as LBJ in '68 Czechoslovakia). Military intervention could (would) have triggered a nuclear WWIII.

[rasb]

Many thanks to those experts who are taking the time to offer their insights on this topic. I find it very interesting and informative. Meanwhile, it sounds as though the violence in the streets is escalating even more. It must be about time for the U.N. to at least try and do something.

[jazzcyclist]

It must be about time for the U.N. to at least try and do something.

Are you serious? I don't like what's going on over there either, but based on historical standards, I don't see where the events in Iran have even come close to warranting U.N. involvement.

[rasb]

It must be about time for the U.N. to at least try and do something.

Are you serious? I don't like what's going on over there either, but based on historical standards, I don't see where the events in Iran have even come close to warranting U.N. involvement.

Well, I am not serious, serious.....More like questioning, where do we go from here ? I hate seeing people getting clubbed to death, maybe it's just me....

[BillVol]

How do you know Ghazal, lone?

[lonewolf]

How do you know Ghazal, lone?

I edited and published her book, "Living in Hell" and continue to edit her English language articles, blogs, petititions, etc.

[jazzcyclist]

It would appear that 2009 is destined to go down as another one of those pivotal years in Iran's history, similar to 1953 and 1979. At least that's how former President Mohammad Khatami sees it. I wonder how different things might look in Iran and in the Mideast today if we had left their government alone in 1953.

[BruceFlorman]

This story may not be over yet.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/05/world ... an.html?hp

Leading Clerics Defy Ayatollah on Disputed Iran Election

CAIRO — The most important group of religious leaders in Iran called the disputed presidential election and the new government illegitimate on Saturday, an act of defiance against the country’s supreme leader and the most public sign of a major split in the country’s clerical establishment.
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“This crack in the clerical establishment, and the fact they are siding with the people and Moussavi, in my view is the most historic crack in the 30 years of the Islamic republic,” said Abbas Milani, director of the Iranian Studies Program at Stanford University. “Remember, they are going against an election verified and sanctified by Khamenei.”
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Since the election, the bulk of the clerical establishment in the holy city of Qum, an important religious and political center of power, has remained largely silent, leaving many to wonder when, or if, the nation’s most senior religious leaders would jump into the controversy that has posed the most significant challenge to the country’s leadership since the Islamic Revolution.

With its statement Saturday, the association of clerics — formed under the leadership of the revolution’s founder, Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini — came down squarely on the side of the reform movement.
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[lonewolf]

I posted this on the now locked Iran revolution precipice forum but I don't think it violates any guidelines to inform that the next rumble will be July 9.

[jazzcyclist]

I posted this on the now locked Iran revolution precipice forum but I don't think it violates any guidelines to inform that the next rumble will be July 9.

What happens then?

[lonewolf]

Stay tuned.

[jazzcyclist]

Rafsanjani finally speaks out.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD99G4MD80

Something I've been thinking about is what would the neocons and Likudniks do if the trio of Rafsanjani, Khatami and Mousavi are successful at having new elections held and having Mousavi win the Presidency, or even better, have Khamenei removed from power and replaced with someone to their liking. There likely won't be any difference between that governemnt and the current one when it comes to the nuclear issue, but can the warmongers turn around and demonize a government that they have been championing?

[SQUACKEE]

Rafsanjani finally speaks out.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... QD99G4MD80

Something I've been thinking about is what would the neocons and Likudniks do if the trio of Rafsanjani, Khatami and Mousavi are successful at having new elections held and having Mousavi win the Presidency, or even better, have Khamenei removed from power and replaced with someone to their liking. There likely won't be any difference between that governemnt and the current one when it comes to the nuclear issue, but can the warmongers turn around and demonize a government that they have been championing?

Forget politics, only a fool wants war. Also, there are many on the left that are outraged that Obama is increasing the U.S. military fighting in Afganistan. Plus Hilliary says as Prez she would nuc Iran if it attacked Isreal.