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  • Pego
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    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    But do you believe the prom issue to be based in perceived preference or in Jim Crow-ish type bigotry?
    I don't know about jazzcyclist (actually, I do), but my answer is an unqualified "Yes".

    Jazzcyclist, it's just about time you showed up .

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  • TrackDaddy
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
    Originally posted by Pego
    No matter how many arguments be made for segregation, one thing remains clear. Separate is not equal.
    Amen! The thing is that separate was never meant to be equal, at least not in the U.S. For example, when my father graduated from high school in 1959, the state of Louisiana paid $56 per pupil to Black schools and $125 per pupil to White schools, and they called that equal. :evil: The books that Black schools got were always hand-me-downs from White schools, which means that White students were the only ones who ever saw new books. Furthermore, since White students knew their books would end up in Black schools they made a point to write all kinds or racist and demeaning things in the books.
    jc

    Being born during the civil rights movement and being from Texas I actually lived this as a student in the 1960s and 70s.

    But do you believe the prom issue to be based in perceived preference or in Jim Crow-ish type bigotry?

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  • TrackDaddy
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    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    I'm only endorsing options and the reason having them may be valid.
    The point is - forced segregation is NOT a viable 'option', because then there is NO option.
    Segregation is such a dirty word.

    If you gave me the choice I'd probably attend the black prom.

    Not because I'm racist, but because the odds are...thats where the fried chicken would be.
    :lol:

    Stop it, TD. :lol:

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by Pego
    No matter how many arguments be made for segregation, one thing remains clear. Separate is not equal.
    Amen! The thing is that separate was never meant to be equal, at least not in the U.S. For example, when my father graduated from high school in 1959, the state of Louisiana paid $56 per pupil to Black schools and $125 per pupil to White schools, and they called that equal. :evil: The books that Black schools got were always hand-me-downs from White schools, which means that White students were the only ones who ever saw new books. Furthermore, since White students knew their books would end up in Black schools they made a point to write all kinds or racist and demeaning things in the books.

    Buses were segregated with Whites in the front and Blacks in the back, but the allocation of seats wasn't fixed at 50%-50%, but fluid and required the bus driver to allocate as many seats from the back of the bus for Whites as was necessary to insure that no Whites were standing while Blacks were sitting, and they called that equal. :evil:

    And even the military was segregated, but during World War II, German POW's, who were being held on American military bases in the U.S., had the privilege of using certain facilties on the bases that White American soldiers used, but that Black American soldiers were denied access to, and they called that equal. :evil:

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  • tandfman
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    The BNP are the folks who say that Dame Kelly Holmes isn't fully British.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... Brons.html

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by dakota
    Nick Griffin, who was pelted with eggs by protesters after his election to the European parliament earlier this month
    Got elected!!! That is scary, even though the turnout was probably pathetic.

    Originally posted by dakota
    Griffin did study history and law at the University of Cambridge.
    That is scary too. Reminds me of the white collar football hooligans that coordinated all the riots and fights. See Bill Buford's "Among the Thugs"

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  • dakota
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    The latter day British equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan may be forced to allow non-white members:

    http://tinyurl.com/n3e8h5

    For those not familiar with the background to this, the BNP's leader, Nick Griffin, who was pelted with eggs by protesters after his election to the European parliament earlier this month, said recently: "As you know, we don’t break the law. We never have, we never will, you know, on financial things. Don't mind breaking the odd race law, or being accused of it, you know, inadvertently." Obviously someone saw this as a provocation. The whole cross-party establishment is very alarmed that a far right organisation got two people elected to the European parliament under its proportional representation system and would obviously like to curtail the BNP at the earliest opportunity. On this new legal challenge, Griffin has said he's "not that bothered" and accused the head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission of being a "black racist". He helpfully explained that the BNP seeks to defend “ethnic groups who need special protection such as the English in their own country, who are now second-class citizens” and is “entitled to discriminate on that basis and not on the grounds of colour” under section 25 and section 26 of the Race Relations Act. "Because the English, the Scots, the Irish and the Welsh are historically white, does not mean being white is the marker... We are not discriminating on the grounds of colour." The BNP requires all members to be "indigenous Caucasians". Griffin told Channel 4 news "We're not here for power, we're not here for money, we're here to help out ethnic community because they're the victims of vicious discrimination by the liberal elite." Asked about his stance on a hypothetical West Indian whose family had lived in Wales for 200 years, Griffin said "There's no such thing as a black Welshman. You can have a black Briton but you can't have a black Welshman. Welsh is about people who have lived in Wales since the end of the last ice age... we'd be happy to have him in Britain, but we wouldn't have him in our party. Our party is here to act for the indigenous people of these islands who are being turned into second class citizens by people like Trevor Phillips with our taxes. Until he stops his discrimination against us, we are very reluctant to change how we act to organise for our people."

    BNP Membership rules:

    MEMBERSHIP

    1) The British National Party represents the collective National, Environmental, Political, Racial, Folkish, Social, Cultural, Religious and Economic interests of the indigenous Anglo-Saxon, Celtic and Norse folk communities of Britain and those we regard as closely related and ethnically assimilated or assimilable aboriginal members of the European race also resident in Britain. Membership of the BNP is strictly defined within the terms of, and our members also self define themselves within, the legal ambit of a defined ‘racial group’ this being ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ and defined ‘ethnic groups’ emanating from that Race as specified in law in the House of Lords case of Mandla V Dowell Lee (1983) 1 ALL ER 1062, HL.

    2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.

    3) Membership of the party shall be open only to those who are 16 years of age or over and whose ethnic origin is listed within Sub-section 2

    The comment about "the last ice age" shows an hilarious lack of knowledge about the history of the British Isles, even if Griffin did study history and law at the University of Cambridge.

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  • EPelle
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    I watched a film, "For One Night" starring Raven Symone (from "Cosby"), about six weeks ago which nearly addresses all the concerns in this thread.

    From Lifetime Network, which broadcast the film: "Raven-Symoné stars as a high school teen who causes quite a ruckus in her small town after making it her mission to integrate her prom, which had been racially divided for decades. While the entire community is up in arms, a reporter back home for a visit covers the story - and the two attempt to reverse a long-standing racist tradition and make history for at least one night! Based on a true story."

    The movie ends by telling you next year the kids returned to segregated proms.

    More:
    http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx ... lifetime04

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    If you gave me the choice I'd probably attend the black prom.
    You wouldn't have a choice. That is the point of the article.

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  • TrackDaddy
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    I'm only endorsing options and the reason having them may be valid.
    The point is - forced segregation is NOT a viable 'option', because then there is NO option.
    Segregation is such a dirty word.

    If you gave me the choice I'd probably attend the black prom.

    Not because I'm racist, but because the odds are...thats where the fried chicken would be.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    I'm only endorsing options and the reason having them may be valid.
    The point is - forced segregation is NOT a viable 'option', because then there is NO option.

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  • TrackDaddy
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    Originally posted by Pego
    Originally posted by scottmitchell74
    Trackdaddy's last two posts = informative and from the horses mouth. They also = ignored. :evil: Why is it so hard to hear from someone who's "been there, done that"?
    I respect his life experience, but endorsing segregation based on cultural or socioeconomic status is not an acceptable option in a civilized, multicultural, multiethnic society.
    Who says having options isnt acceptable?

    I dont know if you've noticed but we have predominantly black or white nightclubs, etc in society already. And some schools even have gay and lesbian clubs.

    Besides, I'm not endorsing segregation.

    I made that clear in a previous post to Daisy.

    I'm only endorsing options and the reason having them may be valid.

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  • richxx87
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    Ha ha... my first thought when I saw the title of this thread was 'Wow, segregated male and female proms??!! Now that's friggin' trippy.'
    You see, I've been living in Asia now many years, and the country I'm now in is nearly 90% Muslim, so when I see/hear the word "segregated" it's always about men and women being segregated into different areas... .

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  • Pego
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    Originally posted by scottmitchell74
    Trackdaddy's last two posts = informative and from the horses mouth. They also = ignored. :evil: Why is it so hard to hear from someone who's "been there, done that"?
    I respect his life experience, but endorsing segregation based on cultural or socioeconomic status is not an acceptable option in a civilized, multicultural, multiethnic society.

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  • Daisy
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    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    Originally posted by Daisy
    Originally posted by TrackDaddy
    Personally, I believe there are legitimate reasons for segregating the prom.
    But if you read the nytimes articles it is clear that the black kids, at least those interviewed, would have enjoyed being with their white friends at the prom.
    Maybe have two proms with an option for attending either?

    I'm not endorsing segregation.

    Just options.
    I think that is the point of their article. Why can white kids attend the black prom but black kids cannot attend the white prom?

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