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  • #61
    Originally posted by dakota
    On the question of whether this is bigotry or cultural preference, I think the various articles make clear this is something which is being dictated by the parents, which seems dubious to me, because when did the youth generation ever willingly accept their social cues from old fogies.

    And it's also pretty clear that what the parents are doing is racist, and it's sad that the kids have to put up with such bullshit, and you just hope these bigoted attitudes don't get perpetuated for another generation in some families and peer groups because of it, or that it causes any lasting psychological suspicions to colour the views of how society is for those on the receiving end of it, because if this is what the prom is like, you can bet a lot else is rotten in that town too.

    There probably is a widespread local assumption in some quarters that there's nothing wrong with it, but that doesn't make it so. Maybe in some kind of post racial society this would be less of an issue, but I get the feeling some parts of twenty first century Georgia aren't there yet. I don't think it would even occur to people who weren't racist to bring race into this, you'd just throw a "fried chicken party", or whatever, and invite anybody to come who wants to because they like the sound of that as much as TrackDaddy does

    Whereas I think the parents who are the bouncers for the "white" prom are definitely enforcing the BNP dress code. Hopefully they have men and women in the community who see things the way Jazzcyclist's dad and the mayor did in his story.
    :wink:
    phsstt!

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    • #62
      Paragraph fascist!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by dakota
        Paragraph fascist!
        Sorry, i think your post was great and was trying to help. It's hard for me not to interfear because im so good at grammar and spealing and what not. :P
        phsstt!

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Pego
          Originally posted by TrackDaddy
          But do you believe the prom issue to be based in perceived preference or in Jim Crow-ish type bigotry?
          I don't know about jazzcyclist (actually, I do), but my answer is an unqualified "Yes".
          Which one?

          People being a given a preference to attend a prom more "conformant" to their likes, or Jim Crow era type bigotry?
          The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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          • #65
            Originally posted by jazzcyclist
            Originally posted by TrackDaddy
            Originally posted by jazzcyclist
            Amen! The thing is that separate was never meant to be equal, at least not in the U.S. For example, when my father graduated from high school in 1959, the state of Louisiana paid $56 per pupil to Black schools and $125 per pupil to White schools, and they called that equal. :evil: The books that Black schools got were always hand-me-downs from White schools, which means that White students were the only ones who ever saw new books. Furthermore, since White students knew their books would end up in Black schools they made a point to write all kinds or racist and demeaning things in the books.
            jc

            Being born during the civil rights movement and being from Texas I actually lived this as a student in the 1960s and 70s.
            I think you're about the same age as me, give or take a year, and I think you'll agree with me that we never experienced Jim Crow in any significant way. You may have experienced racism, but not the state-sanctioned racial discrimantion that our parents experienced.
            I was referring to the hand me down school books you mentioned and segregated classrooms.
            The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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            • #66
              Originally posted by dakota
              On the question of whether this is bigotry or cultural preference, I think the various articles make clear this is something which is being dictated by the parents, which seems dubious to me, because when did the youth generation ever willingly accept their social cues from old fogies. And it's also pretty clear that what the parents are doing is racist, and it's sad that the kids have to put up with such bullshit, and you just hope these bigoted attitudes don't get perpetuated for another generation in some families and peer groups because of it, or that it causes any lasting psychological suspicions to colour the views of how society is for those on the receiving end of it, because if this is what the prom is like, you can bet a lot else is rotten in that town too. There probably is a widespread local assumption in some quarters that there's nothing wrong with it, but that doesn't make it so. Maybe in some kind of post racial society this would be less of an issue, but I get the feeling some parts of twenty first century Georgia aren't there yet. I don't think it would even occur to people who weren't racist to bring race into this, you'd just throw a "fried chicken party", or whatever, and invite anybody to come who wants to because they like the sound of that as much as TrackDaddy does. Whereas I think the parents who are the bouncers for the "white" prom are definitely enforcing the BNP dress code. Hopefully they have men and women in the community who see things the way Jazzcyclist's dad and the mayor did in his story.
              Mandating that someone doesnt have the option of attending either function is clearly questionable.

              However providing options for personal choice or preferred assembly...isnt.

              Because I'm a minority...I've been to many sanctioned events where the music was country, the food was full of mayonnaise :lol: , and conversation didnt completely interest me...with no other option.

              Majority rules and thats fine.

              But from time to time...I'd like other options.

              Flip the script and see how you'd feel.
              The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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              • #67
                There's absolutely no excuse for putting mayonnaise on anything. What a reprehensibly wicked thing to inflict on people. They must be stopped.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by TrackDaddy
                  Originally posted by Pego
                  Originally posted by TrackDaddy
                  But do you believe the prom issue to be based in perceived preference or in Jim Crow-ish type bigotry?
                  I don't know about jazzcyclist (actually, I do), but my answer is an unqualified "Yes".
                  Which one?

                  People being a given a preference to attend a prom more "conformant" to their likes, or Jim Crow era type bigotry?
                  The latter.
                  "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                  by Thomas Henry Huxley

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                  • #69
                    Good lord. Really? Prom is being taken this seriously?

                    The point of a prom is to celebrate the end of your high school years (or the school year, in the event of underclassmen), not to have a cultural expo.

                    How hard is this to do? 1) Have a prom committee. 2) Have the committee come up with an eclectic menu (if food is involved) and playlist. 3) Done. If you don't like hip hop, don't dance when those songs come on (though in most places, white teens dance to hip hop as much as any other music). If you don't like country, don't dance when it comes up.

                    On the flip side, aren't references to Jim Crow out of whack if the all-white prom is put on by parents (and not with school money), as seems to be the case here? Doesn't make it any more respectable, but I think it's better to be accurate here.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by dakota
                      There's absolutely no excuse for putting mayonnaise on anything. What a reprehensibly wicked thing to inflict on people. They must be stopped.
                      If you're interested, I have a plan.
                      The fool has said...there is no God. Psa 14

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by TrackDaddy
                        Originally posted by dakota
                        There's absolutely no excuse for putting mayonnaise on anything. What a reprehensibly wicked thing to inflict on people. They must be stopped.
                        If you're interested, I have a plan.

                        At least on the music front, try this.....Every 4th song has to be a slow-dance, and you can't dance with someone of the same "shade"as you....I think people will work it out from there....

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