2009 College Football Predictions

[jazzcyclist]

there are a few other schools that deserve to honorable mention, like UCLA, Notre Dame, Florida State, Tennessee and Fresno State

Notre Dame may play some tough opponents, but they don't play a conference schedule. To get through the BCS league is a lot togher than a non-conference schedule regardless of how tough it may be (ask Ohio St. after the Purdue loss).
As several people already observed, if ND wants to be a BCS player, let them join a BCS conference.

If Notre Dame joined a conference, they would no longer be Notre Dame. There's a reason so many college coaches negotiate Notre Dame clauses in their contracts, although it's probably not as common as it used to be. Also, they would have to split their TV and bowl money which would be foolish on their part.

[Avante]

As far as USC and the National Championship, I'm going with...

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In the 2003 BCS National Championship Game, The Sugar Bowl , BCS #2 Louisiana State defeated BCS #1 Oklahoma 21–14. Meanwhile, BCS #3 USC defeated BCS #4 Michigan 28–14 in the Rose Bowl. USC finished the season ranked #1 in the AP poll and was awarded the AP National Championship; LSU, however, won the BCS National Championship title for that year, prompting a split national title between LSU and USC. In the wake of the controversy, corporate sponsors emerged who were willing to organize an LSU-USC game to settle the matter; nevertheless, the NCAA refused to permit the matchup.

And I'll go with:

BCS Championship = Crystal Football
AP Championship ≠Crystal Football

The BCS Championship is something you win.
The AP Championship is something you're awarded.

BCS Championships photo

AP Championship photo

I don't care how I get something, hell mail it. Carroll has won two National Championships. I didn't say..BCS titles....right?

[Pego]

there are a few other schools that deserve to honorable mention, like UCLA, Notre Dame, Florida State, Tennessee and Fresno State

Notre Dame may play some tough opponents, but they don't play a conference schedule. To get through the BCS league is a lot togher than a non-conference schedule regardless of how tough it may be (ask Ohio St. after the Purdue loss).
As several people already observed, if ND wants to be a BCS player, let them join a BCS conference.

If Notre Dame joined a conference, they would no longer be Notre Dame. There's a reason so many college coaches negotiate Notre Dame clauses in their contracts, although it's probably not as common as it used to be. Also, they would have to split their TV and bowl money which would be foolish on their part.

I understand the argument, heard it many times when discussions of their joining Big 10 came up over years.
Let me ask you this. If the Yankees declared, "We are The Yankees, we will not play your silly league schedule, we will choose our opponents and then play postseason." Laughable, eh? The Harlem Globetrotters do that, but they don't make claims to the championship.

[jhc68]

The BCS Championship is something you win.

That's a crock... explain that to Boise State if and when they finish the season undefeated. Boise will never be given the chance to win the BCS. I doubt they are really the best team in the country but the fact is we will never know without a real playoff system.

[jazzcyclist]

Let me ask you this. If the Yankees declared, "We are The Yankees, we will not play your silly league schedule, we will choose our opponents and then play postseason." Laughable, eh? The Harlem Globetrotters do that, but they don't make claims to the championship.

Well, if the Harlem Globetrotters were to beat some of the best basketball teams, such as the NBA Champions, the national teams of the U.S., Argentina, Spain, Croatia, etc. or even the NCAA Champions, they would indeed gain some letigitimacy. However, as I recall, whenever they play a serious basketball team, they get taken to the woodshed.

On September 12, 1995, they lost 91–85 to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's All Star Team in Vienna, Austria ending an alleged run of 8,829 straight victories in going back to 1971. The 48-year-old Abdul-Jabbar scored 34 points. . . . .They also immediately went on another winning streak of 1,270 before losing 72–68 to the Michigan State University Spartans on November 13, 2000. . . . .On Saturday November 15, 2003, the UTEP Miners, coached by Billy Gillispie, beat the Harlem Globetrotters 89-88 ending their 288 game win streak. . . . . Their most recent loss came on March 31, 2006 when they went down 87–83 to the NABC College All-Stars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harlem_Globetrotters

As for the Yankees, if MLB would let them get away with doing their own scheduling, I say more power to them.

[Pego]

The Trotters as an example were not my shining moment, no doubt :wink: .

You hit the nail on the head. If the league let the Yankees...NCAA lets ND get away with just that. All you ever hear is the "Notre Dame mystique" :twisted: .

[scottmitchell74]

Until the day D-I has a playoff (like every other level of football in the US - DIII, DII, D-IA, NFL, Canada, High School, etc....) this will be a mess. In my opinion the comissioners are leaving boat loads of money on the table. If they logically set up a playoff system, using lesser Bowl games as the early rounds and the Big Boy Bowls as the semi and final games, they'd still make their killing.

I also believe every conference should split into North/South or East/West and thus have the conference Championship games determine if someone makes the playoffs. To make the playoff pairings make sense, have byes for the highest rank teams.

Cap D-I to 120 teams. Restructure into 10 12-teams conferences.

This could be done. Let the NCAA powers earn their millions by coming up with a plan that can work.

Also, no playing again D-IA cupcakes!

[jazzcyclist]

The BCS Championship is something you win.

That's a crock... .

Not it's not, it's a statement of fact. You may not like how the participants of the title game are chosen, but the winner of that game always walks away with the crystal football, and that's an incontrovertable fact.

[explain that to Boise State if and when they finish the season undefeated. Boise will never be given the chance to win the BCS. I doubt they are really the best team in the country but the fact is we will never know without a real playoff system.

Boise State doesn't want to play for the BCS Championshsip, otherwise they wouldn't have such a pathetic non-conference schedule. If they want to be taken seriously, they should schedule the way Fresno State does. As I said previously:

When you're in the WAC and you have a division II team and a division i-AA team on your schedule, then you don't deserve a shot at the national championship no matter how the season unfolds.

One of the things that the BCS honchos did to weaken the legal postion of folks want to abolish the system was make all of the pay-outs equal for the BCS games, which means that schools have no grounds for suing on the basis of financial damages. In 2006, Boise State got the same paycheck for beating Oklahoma that Florida got for beating Ohio State in the championship game.

[Avante]

The BCS Championship is something you win.

That's a crock... explain that to Boise State if and when they finish the season undefeated. Boise will never be given the chance to win the BCS. I doubt they are really the best team in the country but the fact is we will never know without a real playoff system.

The BCS needs to bannished. Instead of conference Championship games just take the top ranked AP teams and start a 1 vs 8 etc etc. series of games. Yes the bowl games will be used and they can alternate so everyone is happy. The way it's done now is ridiculous.

[jazzcyclist]

Also, no playing again D-IA cupcakes!

You mean I-AA cupcakes, don't you?

[scottmitchell74]

Yes! That's what I mean. ops:

Although there are some cupcakes in IA as well.

[jazzcyclist]

I don't care how I get something, hell mail it. Carroll has won two National Championships. I didn't say..BCS titles....right?

I've been very precise in my language to make sure that everyone knew we were talking about the crystal football/BCS Championship. I just assumed that like everyone else who has posted on this thread, you agreed with me that it's all about the crystal football. But if we're going to also count the championships that are awarded by alphabet soup organizations, I must point out that Utah won a national championship in 2008, Missouri and USC won national championships in 2007, Oklahoma in 2003, USC in 2002 and Miami in 2000, and that's just this decade. So Pete Carroll has really won four national championships if we include championships that are awarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis ... ampionship

[Avante]

I don't care how I get something, hell mail it. Carroll has won two National Championships. I didn't say..BCS titles....right?

I've been very precise in my language to make sure that everyone knew we were talking about the crystal football/BCS Championship. I just assumed that like everyone else who has posted on this thread, you agreed with me that it's all about the crystal football. But if we're going to also count the championships that are awarded by alphabet soup organizations, I must point out that Utah won a national championship in 2008, Missouri and USC won national championships in 2007, Oklahoma in 2003, USC in 2002 and Miami in 2000, and that's just this decade. So Pete Carroll has really won four national championships if we include championships that are awarded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Divis ... ampionship

Everyone who knows the college game knows about that USC situation in 2003. This isn't about alphabet anything this is about reality. USC won the National Championship in 2003. Not even debatable and has nothing at all to do with that slliness you're describing. It's not my fault you assumed everyone saw things as you do. Dude, tell those players they weren't really National Champions in 2003.....good luck! The AP is not...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!



By JOSH DUBOW
AP Football Writer

Note: The AP National Championship Trophy will be presented to Pete Carroll at 10:30 a.m. on Monday (Jan. 5) at Heritage Hall. A public ceremony will be held in mid-January when school resumes (details will be announced later).


Southern California finished No. 1 in The Associated Press college football poll early Monday, earning 48 of the 65 first-place votes.


The Trojans (12-1) beat out USA Today/ESPN coaches' poll champion LSU, which defeated Oklahoma 21-14 in Bowl Championship Series title game Sunday night in the Sugar Bowl.

USC also finished atop the Football Writers Association of America's Grantland Rice Super 16 poll, thereby capturing its fifth Grantland Rice National Championship Trophy since the award's inception in 1954. The poll is voted on regionally by 16 of the FWAA's 800-plus members.


The coaches were obligated to crown LSU (13-1) even though USC held the top spot in their poll going into the bowls.


It's the first split national championship since 1997 when Michigan won the AP poll and Nebraska was the coaches' choice. The BCS started the following season with the goal of choosing an undisputed champion.


In each of the first five years, only one major team finished undefeated, making the choice simple. But with three top one-loss teams at the end of the regular season, chaos reigned.


USC was left out of the BCS title game despite being the top team in both polls, while Oklahoma made it after losing the Big 12 championship game 35-7 to Kansas State.


The Trojans, who beat Michigan 28-14 in the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day, have now been involved in three of the 11 split titles in college football history. In 1978, they won the coaches' poll while Alabama won the AP poll, and in 1974, the coaches picked USC while the media picked Oklahoma.


The Trojans hadn't won the AP poll since 1972, when they were the undisputed champion. That was also the last time a Pac-10 team won the AP title. Washington won the coaches' poll in 1991.


USC has four AP titles overall, tied with Minnesota, Nebraska and Ohio State for the fifth most ever.


There have been nine different champions in the past nine seasons, the longest stretch in the history of the poll.


In the final, post-bowl AP poll, USC received 1,608 points to beat out LSU (1,576). Oklahoma was third, followed by Ohio State and Miami.

[jazzcyclist]

Everyone who knows the college game knows about that USC situation in 2003. This isn't about alphabet anything this is about reality. USC won the National Championship in 2003. Not even debatable and has nothing at all to do with that slliness you're describing. It's not my fault you assumed everyone saw things as you do. Dude, tell those players they weren't really National Champions in 2003.....good luck! The AP is not...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

What's really silly is your attempt to hijack a thread that I started, and accuse me of being off mesaage. In the very first sentence of the thread, I talked about the BCS Championship game. It is a fact that USC didn't play in the 2003 national championship game, therefore how could they have been the champions. It is a fact that USC didn't take home a crystal football following the 2003 football season. It is a fact that I alluded to the crystal football dozens of times before you made your first post on this thread. Facts don't change according to your ability to stomach them. If you want to talk about the AP, NFF, FWAA, A&H, UPI, MGR, NYT, NCF NFF, NAACP, NRA, ACLU, AFL-CIO or KKK championship, you should start your own thread, and I promise I won't post on it.

[Avante]

Everyone who knows the college game knows about that USC situation in 2003. This isn't about alphabet anything this is about reality. USC won the National Championship in 2003. Not even debatable and has nothing at all to do with that slliness you're describing. It's not my fault you assumed everyone saw things as you do. Dude, tell those players they weren't really National Champions in 2003.....good luck! The AP is not...hahahaha!!!!!!!!!

What's really silly is your attempt to hijack a thread that I started, and accuse me of being off mesaage. In the very first sentence of the thread, I talked about the BCS Championship game. It is a fact that USC didn't play in the 2003 national championship game, therefore how could they have been the champions. It is a fact that USC didn't take home a crystal football following the 2003 football season. It is a fact that I alluded to the crystal football dozens of times before you made your first post on this thread. Facts don't change according to your ability to stomach them. If you want to talk about the AP, NFF, FWAA, A&H, UPI, MGR, NYT, NCF NFF, NAACP, NRA, ACLU, AFL-CIO or KKK championship, you should start your own thread, and I promise I won't post on it.

I think I merely mentioned that Carroll has two National Championships. I really didn't specify what they were. That's trying to hijack a thre...hahahahaha!!!!! Dude..please :lol: One word.....chill!