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  • #16
    I'm with guru on this. I have already stated in public that I openly dare any swine flu virus to invade my body.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by guru
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      Wrong. My mentality is taking vaccines on a regular basis does much more harm than good. Like any body process, the immune system needs to be used or it will grow weaker. ...

      Holy shit! And just what mechanism is that you think the vaccine process initiates if it isn't the immune system???

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      • #18
        Originally posted by gh
        Originally posted by guru
        [....
        Wrong. My mentality is taking vaccines on a regular basis does much more harm than good. Like any body process, the immune system needs to be used or it will grow weaker. ...

        Holy shit! And just what mechanism is that you think the vaccine process initiates if it isn't the immune system???

        Posted already, but here's a nice synopsis.

        http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines ... ession.htm
        There are no strings on me

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        • #19
          Originally posted by guru
          Posted already, but here's a nice synopsis.
          Isn't that like saying lifting weights makes us tired, so we shouldn't do it if we want to get stronger? The end result of the immunization is that we are stronger against THAT particular germ, but the rest of our immune system returns to normal after a while. That's how I read it, anyway.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Marlow
            Originally posted by guru
            Posted already, but here's a nice synopsis.
            Isn't that like saying lifting weights makes us tired, so we shouldn't do it if we want to get stronger?
            No, that's closer to what you and gh are saying.

            My main point is you have an immune system for a reason. Getting sick occasionally helps keep it in tip-top shape. Being vaccinated regularly against things like the flu serve only to weaken the overall protection it gives to your body.
            There are no strings on me

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            • #21
              Originally posted by guru
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              Posted already, but here's a nice synopsis.

              http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines ... ession.htm
              Sorry, but I place osteopaths right up there with phrenologists in the level of medical quackery.

              Ask a real doctor.

              edited to note that I hyperbolized in my original post; it's homeopaths who are with phrenologists; osteopaths are on a slightly lesser level of hell

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              • #22
                Originally posted by guru
                Posted already, but here's a nice synopsis.
                http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines ... ession.htm
                I'm not sure I would trust such a source when they write:
                Allopathy depresses important body functions, while making the body more toxic. Naturopathy helps the body eliminate toxins while supporting the body's immune functions.
                That sounds like an agenda driven statement.

                Another thing that struck me is quotes from scientists/doctors in the early 20th centrury.
                "I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."

                Dr W B Clarke, circa 1909
                I know little about the immune system but reading that article makes me think that they are exaggerating the size of any immune suppression, especially with respect to weakening ones immune system to a point where it cannot function effectively.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by jhc68
                  I don't think anti-vaccine people are neanderthals. They are parasites playing the odds. The mentality is that there is no need for them to be immunized because everyone else will.

                  Me. I'm old enough to have been in the first generation to get polio shots. It was a common thing in the 1950's to know people in "iron lungs" (youngeer posters won't know what the hell I'm referring to, lucky for them). When reminders of the reasons for vaccinations disappear then it is easy to discount the need for them.


                  Bingo. People crying out about how 1/1 million people may suffer some moderate adverse reaction forget that the shot they're getting probably protects against one of the diseases that used to infect half the population, while killing a significant percentage of those infected.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by guru
                    Originally posted by gh
                    Originally posted by guru
                    [....
                    Wrong. My mentality is taking vaccines on a regular basis does much more harm than good. Like any body process, the immune system needs to be used or it will grow weaker. ...

                    Holy shit! And just what mechanism is that you think the vaccine process initiates if it isn't the immune system???

                    Posted already, but here's a nice synopsis.

                    http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines ... ession.htm

                    Guru, citing Mercola when trying to make a valid medical argument is like citing Britney Spears when trying to make a valid musical argument.

                    Furthermore, Mercola is as agenda-driven as they come, and full of garbage, to put it nicely.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Daisy

                      Another thing that struck me is quotes from scientists/doctors in the early 20th centrury.
                      "I never saw cancer in an un-vaccinated person."

                      Dr W B Clarke, circa 1909


                      I found that hilarious and horrifying at the same time. The fact is, people who don't know any better will read that and think it's not an idiotic statement.

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                      • #26
                        I'm certainly not saying I subscribe to that 1909 quote. But it's an undeniable fact that a healthy, fully charged immune system plays a vital role in cancer prevention. Just ask any AIDS patient.
                        There are no strings on me

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by BisonHurdler
                          People crying out about how 1/1 million people may suffer some moderate adverse reaction forget that the shot they're getting probably protects against one of the diseases that used to infect half the population, while killing a significant percentage of those infected.
                          I suspect most of them aren't forgetting. It's just something they never knew.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by guru
                            I'm certainly not saying I subscribe to that 1909 quote. But it's an undeniable fact that a healthy, fully charged immune system plays a vital role in cancer prevention. Just ask any AIDS patient.
                            The major thing that saves us from cancer is apoptosis, the ability of unregulated cells to undergo programmed cell death. That happens regularly in our bodies and spews plenty of DNA/RNA/protein into our system.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by tandfman
                              Originally posted by BisonHurdler
                              People crying out about how 1/1 million people may suffer some moderate adverse reaction forget that the shot they're getting probably protects against one of the diseases that used to infect half the population, while killing a significant percentage of those infected.
                              I suspect most of them aren't forgetting. It's just something they never knew.


                              True. Speaking of ignorance, someone else (a chiropractor friend of mine) pointed me in the direction of another Mercola article a few weeks ago that had to do with vaccines. Reading the comments/discussion at the bottom was kind of scary. I distinctly remember one lady asking [paraphrased since I don't have the exact souce]:

                              "My teenage son's best friend just got the meningitis vaccine because he's heading to college. Is it safe for my son to be around him since he can probably catch meningitis from him for the next few days?"

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                              • #30
                                http://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/200711 ... eak-cancer
                                There are no strings on me

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