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  • cullman
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    Originally posted by dj
    Who did USC have as a runner the year before O.J. arrived? I don't remember someone other than Mike Garrett, but he was 3-4 years earlier.
    ?
    I was a bit of a College Football nut back then and Don McCall was the tailback between the Garrett OJ years. He spent his senior year as OJ's backup.

    cman

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  • dj
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Didn't McFadden of Ark finish runner-up twice in a row very recently?

    edit - looked it up to see if I was right and . . . I am!

    McFadden and O.J.? I don't get the link. . .

    Did McFadden go to JC before Arkansas?

    My sense is that Simpson and Cam Newton are the only Heismans who played JC ball.

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  • dj
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    I'm re-guessing my Keyes/Phipps guess.

    O.J. was runner-up to UCLA's Gary Beban in O.J.'s junior year. Who did USC have as a runner the year before O.J. arrived? I don't remember someone other than Mike Garrett, but he was 3-4 years earlier.

    Of maybe Purdue is still right and we're talking Keyes as a soph along with Bob Griese???

    Or else GH is being really sly and the O.J. clue relates to someone else ????? Another USC running back who was a runner-up before winning. Marcus Allen? Charles White?

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  • Marlow
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    Didn't McFadden of Ark finish runner-up twice in a row very recently?

    edit - looked it up to see if I was right and . . . I am!

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  • dj
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    Originally posted by gh
    OK, trivia question. Stanford has now had runner-up two years in a row. What was last school to do that? (hint: O.J. Simpson)

    If O.J. was the winner ('68?) the answer is probably Purdue. Leroy Keyes was the runner-up that year (I only know because the Eagles had third pick in the draft that year and took Keyes, who was a bust). I'm guessing the next year was Mike Phipps, although I'd have guessed they were classmates.

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  • gh
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    OK, trivia question. Stanford has now had runner-up two years in a row. What was last school to do that? (hint: O.J. Simpson)

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by guru
    ESPN is showing their 30 for 30
    The one on Marcus Dupree was heart-wrenching and fascinating.

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  • guru
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    Appropriate that ESPN is showing their 30 for 30 on SMU following the Heisman presentation...

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Not that it would have affected the outcome, but the results would have been a lot closer if not for the fact that Newton was an Easterner up against three Westerners who were all competing for the same votes.

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  • Marlow
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    Newton, the third player from Auburn to win the Heisman, received 729 first-place votes and outpointed runner-up Andrew Luck of Stanford by 1,184 points. Oregon running back LaMichael James was third, followed by Boise State quarterback Kellen Moore, the other finalist.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
    If Moore had been on a team with a defense like Michigan's he would have likely played four quarters in every game and would have thrown for 6000 yards.
    And would have increased his chance of injury. Cheap shots often come late in games when the pass-rushers are frustrated and willing to do 'whatever it takes' to win.
    Good point. Denard Robinson is always hurt though Moore doesn't run as much as Robinson does. Hell, no quarterback runs as much as Robinson does.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
    If Moore had been on a team with a defense like Michigan's he would have likely played four quarters in every game and would have thrown for 6000 yards.
    And would have increased his chance of injury. Cheap shots often come late in games when the pass-rushers are frustrated and willing to do 'whatever it takes' to win.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    The Football Writers Association of America snubbed Cam Newton for first team all-America honors and selected Kellen Moore instead.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5909431

    I like Moore but one knock on him is that he didn't get enough playing time. Because Boise State's defense was able to dominate most of its opponents, Moore didn't play in the second half of five games and didn't play in the 4th quarter of four more. If Moore had been on a team with a defense like Michigan's he would have likely played four quarters in every game and would have thrown for 6000 yards.

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  • jazzcyclist
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    I heard a talking head on ESPN radio this morning point out that the Integrity clause in the Heisman Trophy's mission statement is something that was just recently added since the Reggie Bush fiasco. If true, it obviously would have been added for a reason. The irony of Peter Warwick vs Cam Newton would be that Warwick was denied the Heisman Trophy due to his lack of integrity off the field when there was no integrity clause in the mission statement, while Newton will win it in spite of his lack of integrity off the field after the integrity clause was added for specifically for bad actors.

    The most troubling part of Newton's interview with Chris Fowler was when he channeled Mark McGuire during his congressional hearings. After Newton committed to Auburn, there were reports that an emotional Newton phoned a Mississippi State recruiter to express regret that he wouldn't be going to Mississippi State, stating that his father, Cecil, had chosen Auburn for him because "the money was too much." To his credit, Fowler wasn't shy about throwing fastballs and when he asked Newton to address these media reports, he said, "I'm not here to talk about reports". He could have said that all those reports are false and that he never discussed Auburn payouts or anything like that to any Mississippi State recruiter/coach, but he didn't. The response was very similar to Mark McGuire's "I'm not here to talk about the past" response.

    Having said all this, I can see no justification for voting Newton 2nd or 3rd. He should either be voted 1st or left off the ballot altogether.

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  • Marlow
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    Last year's trio of Tebow, McCoy, and Bradford were, by far, my favorite trio ever. i wanted McCoy to beat Ingram, so all 3 would have one. I don't think it is surprising anyone that Bradford is thriving in the NFL, making the Rams better than they would have been without him. McCoy is making strides too, but it remains to be seen if Tebow will stick. I really, really think he should be a tight end. He can block, he can catch, and he has better speed than most give him credit for. He's good at the Wildcat too (obviously).

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