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  • #16
    Re: NCAA/NFL

    Originally posted by Dutra
    How about this...Andre Johnson is better than Reggie Wayne ever was.

    Not real difficult.
    Bullshit! I was willing to concede to you that Johnson is better than Wayne today, but now you're being hyperbolic. Certainly Butch Davis thought Wayne was better than Johnson in 2000 when Johnson was Wayne's backup at Miami. And during the eight years that they've both been in the NFL, Wayne was clearly better than Johnson in 2005 and 2007, the stats aren't even close. On the other hand, Johnson was better in 2008 and 2009. I would call 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2010 a wash, but Wayne did win a Super Bowl in 2006. Both have made it to four Pro Bowls and both have been 1st team all-Pro twice. Come on man. Come on.

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    • #17
      Re: NCAA/NFL

      Originally posted by jazzcyclist
      Originally posted by Dutra
      How about this...Andre Johnson is better than Reggie Wayne ever was.

      Not real difficult.
      Bullshit! I was willing to concede to you that Johnson is better than Wayne today, but now you're being hyperbolic. Certainly Butch Davis thought Wayne was better than Johnson in 2000 when Johnson was Wayne's backup at Miami.
      There's a great example. Let's use Wayne's senior year and Johnson's sophomore year to make a comparison. Just fuckin' brilliant.

      And during the eight years that they've both been in the NFL, Wayne was clearly better than Johnson in 2005 and 2007, the stats aren't even close. On the other hand, Johnson was better in 2008 and 2009. I would call 2003, 2004, 2006 and 2010 a wash, but Wayne did win a Super Bowl in 2006. Both have made it to four Pro Bowls and both have been 1st team all-Pro twice. Come on man. Come on.
      Even in one year you believe Wayne was "better" than Johnson you used a year Johnson was injured and yet still led the league in yards per game.

      Andre Johnson is a better player than Reggie Wayne. He's been a better player than Reggie Wayne for a number of years. Wayne has played on a far superior offense with a QB who's better than most teams in history have played with.

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      • #18
        Re: NCAA/NFL

        Originally posted by Dutra
        Originally posted by jazzcyclist
        Certainly Butch Davis thought Wayne was better than Johnson in 2000 when Johnson was Wayne's backup at Miami.
        There's a great example. Let's use Wayne's senior year and Johnson's sophomore year to make a comparison. Just fuckin' brilliant.
        It's a perfectly acceptable response when you make ridiculous statements like "Andre Johnson is better than Reggie Wayne EVER was". Be more precise with your language from now on.

        Originally posted by Dutra
        Even in one year you believe Wayne was "better" than Johnson you used a year Johnson was injured and yet still led the league in yards per game.
        Every time I've ever heard anyone talk about a receiver "leading the league in receiving" they were either referring total yards or total receptions, not average yards, so I don't know why you decided to throw out that red herring. Injuries are a part of the game, lest we start extrapolating and proclaim Gale Sayers the GOAT of NFL running backs. Also, the year Johnson got injured, Wayne didn't just put up better numbers than Johnson, he put up better numbers than every other receiver in the NFL. Furthermore, while Wayne hasn't been on the D.I. list for as many games as Johnson, he hasn't been immune to injuries during his career either and anyone who follows the Colts knows this. Like Johnson who is playing at less than 100% because of a bad ankle, Wayne has been hampered by a bad knee for several years, but has continued to perform.

        Originally posted by Dutra
        Andre Johnson is a better player than Reggie Wayne. He's been a better player than Reggie Wayne for a number of years.
        I can go with this but it is far different than your original statement.

        Originally posted by Dutra
        Wayne has played on a far superior offense with a QB who's better than most teams in history have played with.
        Wah wah wah! Do you know who threw the ball to Jerry Rice and how many Super Bowls his team won? Do you know who threw the ball to Michael Irvin and how many Super Bowls his team won? Wah waahhh waaahhhh! :lol:

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        • #19
          Re: NCAA/NFL

          Originally posted by jazzcyclist
          Originally posted by Dutra
          Originally posted by jazzcyclist
          Certainly Butch Davis thought Wayne was better than Johnson in 2000 when Johnson was Wayne's backup at Miami.
          There's a great example. Let's use Wayne's senior year and Johnson's sophomore year to make a comparison. Just fuckin' brilliant.
          It's a perfectly acceptable response when you make ridiculous statements like "Andre Johnson is better than Reggie Wayne EVER was". Be more precise with your language from now on.
          It's not acceptable on any level. Johnson now is better than Wayne ever was and has been for a few years. You bring up a 19 year old vs. a 21 year old. Who's making the more salient point?

          Originally posted by Dutra
          Even in one year you believe Wayne was "better" than Johnson you used a year Johnson was injured and yet still led the league in yards per game.
          Every time I've ever heard anyone talk about a receiver "leading the league in receiving" they were either referring total yards or total receptions, not average yards, so I don't know why you decided to throw out that red herring. Injuries are a part of the game, lest we start extrapolating and proclaim Gale Sayers the GOAT of NFL running backs. Also, the year Johnson got injured, Wayne didn't just put up better numbers than Johnson, he put up better numbers than every other receiver in the NFL. Furthermore, while Wayne hasn't been on the D.I. list for as many games as Johnson, he hasn't been immune to injuries during his career either and anyone who follows the Colts knows this. Like Johnson who is playing at less than 100% because of a bad ankle, Wayne has been hampered by a bad knee for several years, but has continued to perform.
          Not as well as Johnson.

          Originally posted by Dutra
          Andre Johnson is a better player than Reggie Wayne. He's been a better player than Reggie Wayne for a number of years.
          I can go with this but it is far different than your original statement.
          Well....no it's not since my original statement merely stated that Johnson should be in there over Wayne.

          Originally posted by Dutra
          Wayne has played on a far superior offense with a QB who's better than most teams in history have played with.
          Wah wah wah! Do you know who threw the ball to Jerry Rice and how many Super Bowls his team won? Do you know who threw the ball to Michael Irvin and how many Super Bowls his team won? Wah waahhh waaahhhh! :lol:
          Yeah...and your point?

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          • #20
            Re: NCAA/NFL

            Dutra

            Wayne has more 1200 (yards) plus seasons. He has three seasons where he scored 10 or more TD's, Johnson has...zero. When it comes to a career Wayne as more receptions/yards/TD's. Let's say an injury did Johnson in. Now where are we? Do we put a guy with lesser accomplishments ahead of.............

            No we don't!

            Yes if he stays healthy someday he will surpass Wayne when that happens.... But until that does happen.

            Bo Jackson would be one of the greatest backs that ever played if he'd put up the numbers that the greats did. He didn't so his rookie card goes for a few bucks. It's all about those stats.

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            • #21
              Re: NCAA/NFL

              Originally posted by Dutra
              It's not acceptable on any level. Johnson now is better than Wayne ever was and has been for a few years. You bring up a 19 year old vs. a 21 year old. Who's making the more salient point?
              If you're comparing Johnson at his best (2008-2009) to Wayne at his best (2006-2007), I'd call it a beauty contest, and we both know there is no single correct answer in a beauty contest. Johnson is bigger and stronger while Wayne was a little quicker and has better body control/acrobatics. And it's perfectly acceptable for me to compare a 19-year-old Johnson to a 21-year-old Wayne after you start out by comparing a 29-year-old Johnson to a 32-year-old Wayne.

              Originally posted by Dutra
              my original statement merely stated that Johnson should be in there over Wayne.
              My only quibble with this is that it's premature at this point. Longevity does matter but I guess it all depends on how you choose to judge a beauty contest.
              Originally posted by Dutra
              Originally posted by jazzcyclist
              Wah wah wah! Do you know who threw the ball to Jerry Rice and how many Super Bowls his team won? Do you know who threw the ball to Michael Irvin and how many Super Bowls his team won? Wah waahhh waaahhhh! :lol:
              Yeah...and your point?
              My point is don't be a crybaby. "Johnson was hurt that year", "Johnson is on a bad team", "Johnson has never played with a Hall of Fame quarterback", "Johnson came from a broken home", "Johnson's dog ate his homework". Wah, wah wah! :cry: By the way, Johnson never had to compete for his quarterback's attention with a Hall of Fame receiver either, and neither did Michael Irvin. Life isn't fair and neither is football.

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              • #22
                Re: NCAA/NFL

                Originally posted by Avante
                Dutra

                Wayne has more 1200 (yards) plus seasons. He has three seasons where he scored 10 or more TD's, Johnson has...zero. When it comes to a career Wayne as more receptions/yards/TD's. Let's say an injury did Johnson in. Now where are we? Do we put a guy with lesser accomplishments ahead of.............

                No we don't!

                Yes if he stays healthy someday he will surpass Wayne when that happens.... But until that does happen.

                Bo Jackson would be one of the greatest backs that ever played if he'd put up the numbers that the greats did. He didn't so his rookie card goes for a few bucks. It's all about those stats.
                Preach Avante. Preach!

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                • #23
                  Re: NCAA/NFL

                  This year's Pro Bowlers were named today. Guess who the AFC's two starting WR's are. Hint: They both played for the U.

                  http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... owl-roster

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                  • #24
                    Re: NCAA/NFL

                    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
                    This year's Pro Bowlers were named today. Guess who the AFC's two starting WR's are. Hint: They both played for the U.

                    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/ ... owl-roster
                    Isn't Michael Irvin getting a bit long in the tooth to be putting the pads on?

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