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  • Conor Dary
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    Re: greatest movie ever... how about Vertigo?

    Originally posted by tandfman
    I have said this before on other threads, but at or near the top of my list of great movies would be Jules Dassin's "He Who Must Die". Here's the NY Times review when it was released. (Access may require registration.)

    http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review? ... 8383649EDE
    Yes, Jules Dassin. His Rififi, one of the great crime films.

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by Pego
    one of those few movies that are better than the book
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Next was a great book, better movie. Surprisingly, so was Deliverance.

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  • Pego
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    Re: greatest movie ever... how about Vertigo?

    Originally posted by tandfman
    I have said this before on other threads, but at or near the top of my list of great movies would be Jules Dassin's "He Who Must Die". Here's the NY Times review when it was released. (Access may require registration.)

    http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review? ... 8383649EDE
    I saw it shortly after its release. In my humble opinion, this is one of those few movies that are better than the book (Kazantzakis btw, the author of Zorba the Greek among others).

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  • tandfman
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    Re: greatest movie ever... how about Vertigo?

    I have said this before on other threads, but at or near the top of my list of great movies would be Jules Dassin's "He Who Must Die". Here's the NY Times review when it was released. (Access may require registration.)

    http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/review? ... 8383649EDE

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  • Pego
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    Of the movies made 2000 or later that I truly enjoyed, three come to mind. Chocolat, Goya's ghosts and on the silly side Dudley-do-right (well, I checked and Dudley was made in 1999 ).

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  • Marlow
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    Originally posted by aaronk
    Thanks for the compliment!!
    Be interesting to compare your top 10's to my top 15's (from the past 20 years).
    That would only reveal what pedestrian taste I have in the movies I enjoy. On the hand, a have another list of great films I admire as cinematic art, but even that one has The Dark Knight (HL as The Joker) near the top, for which I was roundly booed here, so there ya go!

    But . . . here's ten of the best (all are in my Top 20) in no particular order (except #1):

    1. Apocalyse Now
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Blade Runner
    The Exorcist
    Sophie’s Choice
    Memento
    Alien
    To Kill a Mockingbird
    Clockwork Orange
    Silence of the Lambs

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  • odelltrclan
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    Only 13 movies on that list made (at least the original versions) after 1970. We need to see a list of these voters and their ages. It reminds me of all the baseball old timers who reminisce about how great the 40's, 50's & 60's were. To some of these guys the current era players could never stand up to their memories of what was. Is it because their own lives were more exciting to them then and these movies elicit fond memories of the past?

    I just find it too unfathomable that the industry reached its creative peak 50 years ago and has been going downhill since.

    Some of these movies might be good, some maybe even great, but I bet the vast majority are best used for treating insomnia on a late night.

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  • no one
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    aaronk -

    Wow - the list is incredible and the amount of time watching movies is massive. Logistically, how did you do this? I did some wuick math and with your 15 deep list in the time periods shown = 900 movies. Just the movies no repeats (per 50x viewing 10 Commandments and surely there had to be others!). I must develop my stamina!!!! very impressive indeed. Watching is one thing recording and retaining data is another. all hail aaronk ... except gh is claiming to know a worthy foe

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  • catson52
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    Aaronk:

    The book/story "Moon and Sixpence" is a very loose "adaptation" of Gauguin's life, is full of cliches and impossibilities. May or may not have seen the movie version. I agree that one should not judge a movie by the director's name/reputation. But if you not been moved by a single movie by the four directors I listed, you have missed out on a lot. Went through your list of movies more closely and could find very few ( two or so) that were not in English. The rest of the world is not to be considered, and has not really produced any great movies? I am well aware of who the "first" Aaron was - and what has your name or mine for that matter got to do with movie appreciation?

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  • jeremyp
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    Originally posted by gh
    In all seriousness, great stuff jeremyp... that may be the best bit of analysis of film analysis I've ever read.
    Thank you kind sir! ops:

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by aaronk

    As for rating Palin's TV show and movie so highly, it's NOT entirely political!!
    If you want to see parts of Alaska you haven't seen (or have!!), watch that show.
    Beautiful scenery.
    And politics aside, Sarah Palin is a VERY entertaining (and funny!!) person.
    (Though if you want to see the detailed TRUTH about Sarah's political career, watch "The Undefeated". It's the opposite of HBO's "Game Change" or most other media portrayals of Palin's career.)
    I will take your word for it. But I am glad you enjoyed it.

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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by Conor Dary
    Originally posted by catson52

    Read through your lists rather quickly. Don't see any movies made by most foreign directors, including Bergman, Kurosawa, Ray, Wajda. (Have a look at Katyn from the last named).
    With a list that includes this I am not surprised...

    2011: Sarah Palin's Alaska (complete TV series), Martha Marcy May Marlene, The Undefeated (doc on Sarah Palin)

    Only watched one "movie" from this year thus far.....the complete TV series "Life's a Tripp!"...about Bristol Palin and her son Tripp.

    Oy...
    As I noted, I don't have my TV working, nor do I have my VCR going.
    Not since 2007.
    Also, I don't go to theaters.
    Thus, ALL the movies I've seen this century (!!) have been by VHS or DVD.
    Since a movie generally doesn't come out for 6 months to a year AFTER its theatrical release on DVD, I haven't seen ANY 2012 movies yet, though several are on my list to watch them when I can.

    As for rating Palin's TV show and movie so highly, it's NOT entirely political!!
    If you want to see parts of Alaska you haven't seen (or have!!), watch that show.
    Beautiful scenery.
    And politics aside, Sarah Palin is a VERY entertaining (and funny!!) person.
    (Though if you want to see the detailed TRUTH about Sarah's political career, watch "The Undefeated". It's the opposite of HBO's "Game Change" or most other media portrayals of Palin's career.)

    Note that "Martha Marcy May Marlene" splits the 2 Palin features.
    It's an EXCELLENT tale of a girl who escapes the cult she's hooked by, goes to live with her sister and her husband, and what happens next.

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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by catson52
    Originally posted by aaronk
    I'm a huge movie buff, having watched over 4300 movies in my life.
    (I have two notebooks with ALL the movies I've seen listed, with their year of release, under various categories.)
    I also LOVE to make lists and do ratings.
    Thus, I've listed my top 15 movies from each individual year, starting in 1970.
    Before that, from 1938 through 1969, I've rated the best movies I've seen in TWO-year groupings (1938-1939, 1940-1941, and so on, through 1968-1969.)
    And before THAT, because I'd seen far less movies from the early days, I rated my 15 favorite movies from the beginning of the "sound" era through 1937. (1927-1937.).
    Read through your lists rather quickly. Don't see any movies made by most foreign directors, including Bergman, Kurosawa, Ray, Wajda. (Have a look at Katyn from the last named). Don't know which version of Moon and Sixpence you refer to. But I reread the book after many years, and was dumbfounded by the stupid plot/story. I should add that overall I regard Maugham as one of the greatest short story writers in English - just ranked below Maupassant, Tolstoy, and Chekov, when other languages are included. I was surprised by your comments about The Ten Commandments - Charlton Heston playing Moses for starters! Take a look at Michelangelo's Moses in San Pietro in Vincoli, Rome, and see if that is the guy you see in the movie.
    I'll reply to both your points.
    Re Heston as Moses, or my choice of "Commandments" as my #1 A-T movie.....as I noted, my lists, or those of ANY individual, are subjective.
    Two people will probably never totally agree on ANYTHING when it comes to choices in personal taste. Not even husbands and wives!! (Maybe ESPECIALLY husbands and wives!! :shock: )

    But my choice of "Ten" is because I personally LOVED that movie (Have watched all 4 hours of it more than 50 times!!!).
    I didn't choose it because it was historically accurate, or because Heston looked like Moses cloned!!
    As someone else said, does even Michaelangelo's version look like Moses??
    (BTW, my name is Aaron. I was named after Moses brother!!)

    As for those foreign directors, I don't rate a movie based on who directed it, or even by who acted in it.
    I rate them by if I was entertained by the movie, if it moved me emotionally in some way (joy, fear, sadness, etc), if it mesmerized me as I watched it.
    Just as there are criteria T&FN uses to rate their AOY's, so too does anyone who rates their favorite movies (songs, books, etc) have their OWN criteria.
    I have MANY foreign movies on my lists......but not paying attention to director's names, I won't watch a movie based on a NAME (director, actor).

    You mentioned "Moon and Sixpence", the movie. Didn't know there's more than 1 version!! Mine is the 1942 movie with George Sanders. It's the story of Gauguin, the artist.

    Also, my lists go 15 deep!! I just gave the top 3.

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  • aaronk
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    Originally posted by Marlow
    Originally posted by aaronk
    I'm a huge movie buff . . .
    That may be the Tafny understatement of the year. I have top 10 lists for the last 20 years and thought I had everyone else out-geeked - not even close! :shock: T'anx!
    Thanks for the compliment!!
    Be interesting to compare your top 10's to my top 15's (from the past 20 years).

    But like I said, any lists or ratings by INDIVIDUALS are inherently highly......heck, TOTALLY......subjective!!
    So since, as they say in Zen.........if a million people looked at one tree, they'd see a million different trees........we could never agree 100%. And with some, as little as 0%. To be able to match just 50% of our choices would make us "a match made in Heaven"!!!

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  • Conor Dary
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    Originally posted by catson52

    Read through your lists rather quickly. Don't see any movies made by most foreign directors, including Bergman, Kurosawa, Ray, Wajda. (Have a look at Katyn from the last named).
    With a list that includes this I am not surprised...

    2011: Sarah Palin's Alaska (complete TV series), Martha Marcy May Marlene, The Undefeated (doc on Sarah Palin)

    Only watched one "movie" from this year thus far.....the complete TV series "Life's a Tripp!"...about Bristol Palin and her son Tripp.

    Oy...

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