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  • Re: the Boston bombers thread

    Originally posted by jeremyp
    The issue is that there are fundamentalists who believe that their religion (and thus they) are under attack, and that striking back at the soft underbelly of the "enemy" is legitimate. Almost every religion has had this in their history. Today in Myanmar we have Buddhists killing Muslims, in Nigeria we have Christians killing Muslims, in the Sudan we have Muslims killing Christians, and in Sri Lanka we have Buddhists killing off Hindus. Leaders know how to rile up the downtrodden to commit heinous acts in the name of "religion" or "nationalism" or almost any "ism."
    It appears that the common thread of much of the acts in terror in the world is religion and has been for hundreds of years.

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    • Re: the Boston bombers thread

      Not surprisingly, the surviving bomber says that he and he brother were motivated by outrage over U.S. foreign policy in the Muslim world, in particular the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. The scary thing is that they were self-radicalized by stuff the saw on the internet without any apparent help from outside terrorist groups.

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      • Re: the Boston bombers thread

        Originally posted by Friar
        A key question will be did the Marathon have plain clothed cops, employ a legit security service-- or both-- on the lookout around the stands across from the finish on both sides of Boylston? They may not have stopped a quick-fused bomb but a sharp eye may have detected the bag drop if they were thinking of something like this as a possibility.
        The sad outcome of this is increased security measures everywhere.
        The Price of Freedom?
        Unless you are willing to deny access to a public place and have airport scanners on every street corner, you will never prevent what happened in Boston.

        I fear we are merely at the Dawn of the Age of Individual Terrorism. Every nutjob with a grudge to bear and a knapsack of homemade explosives will have us at their mercy.

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        • Re: the Boston bombers thread

          Originally posted by Marlow
          Originally posted by Friar
          A key question will be did the Marathon have plain clothed cops, employ a legit security service-- or both-- on the lookout around the stands across from the finish on both sides of Boylston? They may not have stopped a quick-fused bomb but a sharp eye may have detected the bag drop if they were thinking of something like this as a possibility.
          The sad outcome of this is increased security measures everywhere.
          The Price of Freedom?
          Unless you are willing to deny access to a public place and have airport scanners on every street corner, you will never prevent what happened in Boston.

          I fear we are merely at the Dawn of the Age of Individual Terrorism. Every nutjob with a grudge to bear and a knapsack of homemade explosives will have us at their mercy.
          I don't think there's anything we can do to prevent acts of domestic terrorism and mass murder, but we can greatly diminish foreign terrorists. We don't need folks overseas to like us, we just need them not to hate us enough to want travel across an ocean to want to kill us.

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          • Re: the Boston bombers thread

            Originally posted by jazzcyclist
            ...The scary thing is that they were self-radicalized by stuff the saw on the internet without any apparent help from outside terrorist groups.
            That's not scary, that's expected. How are these guys any different than an American who becomes a Neo-Nazi or white supremacist just based on the way they feel about themselves? It happens all the time. Charles Manson, Eric Rudolph, Lanza, Harris and Klebold were self-radicalized, as are/were Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kazcynski, Randy Weaver, Weather Underground, KKK, Black Panthers or Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder or any number of murderers/intimidators of doctors who perform abortion. Right now there are people THROUGHOUT the United States who are actively training for the overthrow of the United States and they're American citizens, too; only they're doing weekend "maneuvers" instead of taking trips to Russia.

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            • Re: the Boston bombers thread

              Originally posted by Marlow

              I fear we are merely at the Dawn of the Age of Individual Terrorism. Every nutjob with a grudge to bear and a knapsack of homemade explosives will have us at their mercy.
              And really nothing new. Joseph Conrad wrote about this kind of thing over a hundred years ago in The Secret Agent. Also the Haymarket Riot in Chicago in 1886. The IRA made life interesting in London awhile back. Nutjobs have been around since eternity.

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              • Re: the Boston bombers thread

                Originally posted by batonless relay
                Right now there are people THROUGHOUT the United States who are actively training for the overthrow of the United States and they're American citizens, too
                And, ironically, they see themselves as patriots.

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                • Re: the Boston bombers thread

                  Shiftless. Male. Young. Unemployed. Out of main stream. Powerless. Poor self esteem. EQUALS: ANGER. Looks for a cause to gain self esteem. Finds cause he can project inadequate self esteem/anger on. BINGO. TROUBLE.

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                  • Re: the Boston bombers thread

                    Originally posted by batonless relay
                    Originally posted by jazzcyclist
                    ...The scary thing is that they were self-radicalized by stuff the saw on the internet without any apparent help from outside terrorist groups.
                    That's not scary, that's expected. How are these guys any different than an American who becomes a Neo-Nazi or white supremacist just based on the way they feel about themselves? It happens all the time. Charles Manson, Eric Rudolph, Lanza, Harris and Klebold were self-radicalized, as are/were Timothy McVeigh, Ted Kazcynski, Randy Weaver, Weather Underground, KKK, Black Panthers or Eric Rudolph, Scott Roeder or any number of murderers/intimidators of doctors who perform abortion. Right now there are people THROUGHOUT the United States who are actively training for the overthrow of the United States and they're American citizens, too; only they're doing weekend "maneuvers" instead of taking trips to Russia.
                    A superb tracker of all of those (and many others you may have never heard of) hate groups/individuals.

                    http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/i ... nce-report
                    "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                    by Thomas Henry Huxley

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                    • Re: the Boston bombers thread

                      Originally posted by Tuariki
                      Originally posted by jeremyp
                      The issue is that there are fundamentalists who believe that their religion (and thus they) are under attack, and that striking back at the soft underbelly of the "enemy" is legitimate. Almost every religion has had this in their history. Today in Myanmar we have Buddhists killing Muslims, in Nigeria we have Christians killing Muslims, in the Sudan we have Muslims killing Christians, and in Sri Lanka we have Buddhists killing off Hindus. Leaders know how to rile up the downtrodden to commit heinous acts in the name of "religion" or "nationalism" or almost any "ism."
                      It appears that the common thread of much of the acts in terror in the world is religion and has been for hundreds of years.
                      Maybe but that was not my point. My point is that most religions have had fights amongst each other, and that focusing on Islam misses that point. I think Terrorism has been also a national/political expression for many nihilistic people. Scratch a terrorist and I think you find a depressed, angry male with a grudge, and his expressed grudge has been sanctioned and catalyzed by a group that he relates to. If given time most of them morph into Mr. average citizen.

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                      • Re: the Boston bombers thread

                        Originally posted by jeremyp
                        Originally posted by Tuariki
                        Originally posted by jeremyp
                        The issue is that there are fundamentalists who believe that their religion (and thus they) are under attack, and that striking back at the soft underbelly of the "enemy" is legitimate. Almost every religion has had this in their history. Today in Myanmar we have Buddhists killing Muslims, in Nigeria we have Christians killing Muslims, in the Sudan we have Muslims killing Christians, and in Sri Lanka we have Buddhists killing off Hindus. Leaders know how to rile up the downtrodden to commit heinous acts in the name of "religion" or "nationalism" or almost any "ism."
                        It appears that the common thread of much of the acts in terror in the world is religion and has been for hundreds of years.
                        Maybe but that was not my point. My point is that most religions have had fights amongst each other, and that focusing on Islam misses that point. I think Terrorism has been also a national/political expression for many nihilistic people. Scratch a terrorist and I think you find a depressed, angry male with a grudge, and his expressed grudge has been sanctioned and catalyzed by a group that he relates to. If given time most of them morph into Mr. average citizen.
                        Trouble is prior to morphing into Mr Average too many of them go out and kill and maim. And although I didn't refer to Islam it is a reality that these days Islam tends to be a common thread with most of acts of terrorism.

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