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  • #31
    Re: Clueless writing about our sport

    i know of no end of people who refer to synthetic tracks as tartan (lower-case).

    Wiki backs me up

    << Because the "Tartan" brand name was the first and was widely successful in its time, the name Tartan has incorrectly become a genericized trademark for an all-weather running track.[1][2][3]>>

    I don't call that clueless writing at all.

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    • #32
      Re: Clueless writing about our sport

      Originally posted by gh
      i know of no end of people who refer to synthetic tracks as tartan (lower-case).
      A related case: using the word "dirt" for all non-synthetic surfaces. :cry:

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      • #33
        Re: Clueless writing about our sport

        these days, in everyday conversation I'd definitely use "dirt"; and I guess I'd use "synthetic," although I certainly used tartan as my go-to for years after they quit being a major player.

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        • #34
          Re: Clueless writing about our sport

          My default is "cinder".

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          • #35
            Re: Clueless writing about our sport

            I think "Tartan" is to track as "Kleenex" is to tissue.

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            • #36
              Re: Clueless writing about our sport

              What about the hyperbole rolled out when a footballer shows a slight burst of speed?:

              http://deadspin.com/gareth-bale-is-the- ... 1564008379

              "Fastest man alive"??
              "Olympics speed"?? :roll: :roll:

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              • #37
                Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                Weird, I've rarely heard a track referred to as tartan. Usually it's "all-weather" or "rubber". Anything not "rubber" is probably "dirt"

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                • #38
                  Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                  Originally posted by polevaultpower
                  Weird, I've rarely heard a track referred to as tartan. Usually it's "all-weather" or "rubber". Anything not "rubber" is probably "dirt"

                  In the infancy of non-cinder tracks in the very early 60's, " all-weather" was the name of choice.

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                  • #39
                    Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                    AS, when I saw Gareth Bale's goal, one of my thoughts was wondering what he could do on the track (and for how long). Maybe the most amazing thing about it was that the ref didn't whistle a foul, but let the play continue on. And to think that he'll probably never get to play in the World Cup or the Euros because Wales just isn't good enough.

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                    • #40
                      Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                      Here's a beauty about that neophyte Duane Solomon, from U-T San Diego, reporting on Mt SAC:

                      "Duane Solomon hasn't been to the Olympics, but he won the men's 800 in a meet record 1:43.88, which also put him in the world lead."

                      Possibly the best mark of the meet was seriously under-reported in all the Eaton-hype. Also nice to see Sowinski finally starting to translate all that indoor 600 prowess to outdoors.

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                      • #41
                        Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                        Originally posted by dukehjsteve
                        Originally posted by polevaultpower
                        Weird, I've rarely heard a track referred to as tartan. Usually it's "all-weather" or "rubber". Anything not "rubber" is probably "dirt"

                        In the infancy of non-cinder tracks in the very early 60's, " all-weather" was the name of choice.
                        Exactly. I have to laugh out loud at "rubber" and "dirt" as neither one has much of anything to do with reality. "Rubber" tracks make me think of Fred MacMurray and "Flubber"; "dirt" brings up images of HS meets in the backwaters of 1930s Oklahoma.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                          Originally posted by kuha
                          [Exactly. I have to laugh out loud at "rubber" and "dirt" as neither one has much of anything to do with reality. "Rubber" tracks make me think of Fred MacMurray and "Flubber"; "dirt" brings up images of HS meets in the backwaters of 1930s Oklahoma.
                          Oh, dirt tracks were very real.
                          Having been born and reared in backwater Oklahoma, I can attest that HS tracks, even into the 1940s, were indeed raw native "dirt, scraped out by the county road grader with lanes marked by dragging a 2 x 12 with appropriately space spikes behind a tractor. Overflow from the trailing edge of the grader blade created the "curb". Consequently, the tracks tended to shrink over the years....made for some fast one-lap times.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                            I know! That's why I used the phrasing I did. I personally ran on a true dirt track in the late 1960s. My consistent point is that "dirt" is a weird and inappropriate generic term for non-all-weather surfaces--dirt has nothing to do with the structure or reality of clay, cinder, or grass tracks…and NO significant national or international-level meet after maybe 1925 was actually on a "dirt" surface.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                              Originally posted by kuha
                              NO significant national or international-level meet after maybe 1925 was actually on a "dirt" surface.
                              This doesn't pass the smell taste simply because I ran on some very good 'cinder' tracks in the late 60s that were indistinguishable from 'dirt', i.e., the cinders were so fine as to be easily called dirt.

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                              • #45
                                Re: Clueless writing about our sport

                                Originally posted by Marlow
                                Originally posted by kuha
                                NO significant national or international-level meet after maybe 1925 was actually on a "dirt" surface.
                                This doesn't pass the smell taste simply because I ran on some very good 'cinder' tracks in the late 60s that were indistinguishable from 'dirt', i.e., the cinders were so fine as to be easily called dirt.
                                A) cinder is still cinder, not soil
                                B) And which "significant national or international-level meets" were they?

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