Amantle Montsho fails doping test after 400m final

[eldanielfire Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close eldanielfire]

This one has genuinely stunned me. Literally one of the last top athletes I'd put in a suspicious list. I wonder if it's contaminated supplements as a lot of recent doping violations have been?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/commonw...games/28622841

[t_monk Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close t_monk]

I didn't see this coming

[zues2014 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zues2014]

Nothing to get too excited. Its only a stimulant that is in many many suppliments that athletes take. Typical sentence is only a few months. Many athletes have been suspended over this "minor stimulant"

Maybe unbeknownst to you, most athletes do take some type of suppliments.

As has come out in alot of similar cases, most athletes were not aware it was in the suppliments they were taking because it was not clearly spelling out in the ingredients.

[eldanielfire Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close eldanielfire]

Nothing to get too excited. Its only a stimulant that is in many many suppliments that athletes take. Typical sentence is only a few months. Many athletes have been suspended over this "minor stimulant"

Maybe unbeknownst to you, most athletes do take some type of suppliments.

I know. Some don't however. Usain Bolt is on record for not taking supplements. The supplement industry is an industry of cowboys, I'd never, ever trust them if I was a professional athlete and my reputation and earnings where on the line.

However the chemicals found in her sample are also masking agents. That to me is raises the suspicion to more serious levels.

[tandfman Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close tandfman]

Just saw a great tweet on this:

Michelle Sammet @michellesammet Can already see the headlines: "Amantle dismantled"...

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However the chemicals found in her sample are also masking agents. That to me is raises the suspicion to more serious levels.

According to the BBC link in the initial post, she had a stimulant positive; the masking-agent positives mentioned in the story were for the other Glasgow bannee.

[zues2014 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zues2014]

Thanks for pointing that out since I also didn't see that in the link as well.

As stated earlier, that "drug" she tested positive for is in alot of stimulants and is often mislabeled or not labeled at all.

Again typical sanction based on past cases is only a few months ban. She will be fine.

[zues2014 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zues2014]

What amazes me is that her B sample has not been tested yet and her name is splashed all over the news unlike here in the US when months can go by after both the A and B sample have tested positive before information is "leaked".

[eldanielfire Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close eldanielfire]

What amazes me is that her B sample has not been tested yet and her name is splashed all over the news unlike here in the US when months can go by after both the A and B sample have tested positive before information is "leaked".

I believe it's much harder in the middle of a championship with many countries media living and working only metres away from the doping controls to keep things wrapped up.

[eldanielfire Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close eldanielfire]

According to the BBC link in the initial post, she had a stimulant positive; the masking-agent positives mentioned in the story were for the other Glasgow bannee.

Ah, they have edited the article and added more in. My mistake

[Flumpy Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Flumpy]

I hate these bullshit stimulant +ives that get splahed all over the media as 'DRUG CHEAT BUSTED'!!!

Read this for more info. Why is it even on the banned list............

http://sportsscientists.com/2010/12/...ment-industry/

[zues2014 Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close zues2014]

This is crazy.

[Pego Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pego]

I hate these bullshit stimulant +ives that get splahed all over the media as 'DRUG CHEAT BUSTED'!!!

Read this for more info. Why is it even on the banned list............

http://sportsscientists.com/2010/12/...ment-industry/

My camp is growing. Slowly but surely ;-).

[Master Po Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Master Po]

I am inclined to agree w Pego's & Flumpy's comments & positions on this matter -- I did read the article Flumpy linked, and I have read a couple of others -- but I do have a couple of questions that perhaps can be commented upon by someone with scientific/medical training. I am not trying to get in an argument with anyone -- let me at least be clear on that point.

This substance is a stimulant, so in some respect it could perhaps be performance-enhancing in some way, to some extent, right? If that's true, to some extent, how might this substance compare with caffeine, in its effects? I couldn't get a clear sense from my reading of "how much" of a stimulant it is.

Does it have any sort of "masking agent" qualities? (I have no idea.)

What I did note in multiple readings, in any case, is that this substance seems dangerous -- whatever it might provide (if anything) in "enhancement," it also seems to offer, so to speak, serious enough side effects to be a health hazard, at least for some persons -- e.g., elevating blood pressure.

Seems like something athletes should be warned about, for sure. As for the other things, I would be interested to read more from someone in the know.

[Pego Senior Member Find all posts View Profile Close Pego]

This substance is a stimulant, so in some respect it could perhaps be performance-enhancing in some way, to some extent, right?

I have watched the use of stimulants in sports/recreational activities for many decades. There have been many studies and all of them conclude "it may enhance performance", "some scientists think..." and such. There have been a few, even posted on this board in the past that unequivocally concluded that there is a PED property to stimulants. The problem with those was that a methodology was flawed to say the least and to the best to my knowledge, nobody was able to reproduce those positive results.

I will just keep repeating my mantra, "Stimulants make you feel like Tarzan, but you perform like Jane."