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    booond
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  • booond
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    If you aren't doing out-of-competition testing as often as the other countries you shouldn't be competing. You should be banned until you get up to speed.

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  • odelltrclan
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    Originally posted by booond View Post
    They don't do out-of-competition testing.
    And warn athletes to hide if international folks show up? Seems one of those articles mentioned something like that.

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  • booond
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    Originally posted by norunner View Post
    Countries don't control testing and your argument implies that all national anti-doping agencies are corrupt. And if all nadas are corrupt, what makes you think wada isn't? Or looking at the evidence of IAAF involvemen in the Russian scandal, what makes you think IAAF isn't corrupt?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/oth...en-dreams.html

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/oth...ry-claims.html

    This is the way NADAs are corrupt. They don't do out-of-competition testing. Who knows what happens if they did but by not doing it they let their athletes skate by while other country's athletes must stay clean all year, not just before big events.

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  • booond
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  • booond
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    Originally posted by norunner View Post
    Countries don't control testing and your argument implies that all national anti-doping agencies are corrupt. And if all nadas are corrupt, what makes you think wada isn't? Or looking at the evidence of IAAF involvemen in the Russian scandal, what makes you think IAAF isn't corrupt?
    I'm sorry by countries I mean the individual nadas. My argument implies that the game is skewed. And that the opportunity for corruption is vast. The IAAF corrupt? Why not? The IOC is corrupt, FIFA is corrupt, there isn't a government in the world which isn't corrupt at some or all levels. If all the nadas and WADA and the IAAF were above board it would be against everything we've ever learned in thousands of years of human nature. People cheat.

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  • norunner
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    Originally posted by booond View Post
    Allowing countries to control the testing of their own athletes brings about a huge conflict. Why would a country want to catch an athlete who might bring glory to them? They wouldn't.
    Countries don't control testing and your argument implies that all national anti-doping agencies are corrupt. And if all nadas are corrupt, what makes you think wada isn't? Or looking at the evidence of IAAF involvemen in the Russian scandal, what makes you think IAAF isn't corrupt?

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  • booond
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  • booond
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    Allowing countries to control the testing of their own athletes brings about a huge conflict. Why would a country want to catch an athlete who might bring glory to them? They wouldn't. All testing should be done by an independent body. All out-of-competition testing done on an equal basis. That some athletes are tested regularly and others almost never is an unequal playing field. Until the IAAF takes testing seriously it's stupid to even discuss drug testing or drug cheats as everyone is a suspect.

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  • Flumpy
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    Originally posted by track400meters View Post
    Maybe their athletes dont look at the word steroid as something bad.. The way americans look at the word steroid.
    LOL!!!

    If this rule was brought in America would have been banned years ago.

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  • track400meters
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    There should be some kind of country ban along with athlete ban.. . .If a certain country continues and continues to produce steroid athletes then what message does that send out to the rest of the world?]

    Apparently russia doesnt give a crap about proper testing.. Maybe it has something to do with a language barrier.. Maybe their athletes dont look at the word steroid as something bad.. The way americans look at the word steroid..

    Whatever it is... If this keeps up then russia as a whole country should be banned from sending athletes to the olympic games..

    How does that sound?

    Maybe their athletes just look at the word steroid as like some sort of super protein powder...
    track400meters
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    Last edited by track400meters; 05-23-2015, 12:56 PM.

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  • Pakilo
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    Originally posted by Sasuke View Post
    Interesting! Do you know if Savinova is competing this year? She was said to be in the famous documentary about doping, but this was never fully proved and she hasn't been given any ban till now.
    Still don't know but I expect her to compete.

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  • Atticus
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    I guess my question is: is this Russian scandal more like East Germany where the federation was behind it or BALCO, where individuals did it on their own? I find the BALCO stench to be more rancorous, cuz at least in the EG model, you were just going along with what you thought the state was sanctioning. BALCO was about people deciding for themselves to cheat. But, if this follows the EG model, expect lots more suspicions to be forthcoming.

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  • Sasuke
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  • Sasuke
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    Originally posted by Pakilo View Post
    Despite the previous announcement on Chernova's eligibility to compete at Worlds this year new info says she is going to be back next year.
    Interesting! Do you know if Savinova is competing this year? She was said to be in the famous documentary about doping, but this was never fully proved and she hasn't been given any ban till now.

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  • Pakilo
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  • Pakilo
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    Despite the previous announcement on Chernova's eligibility to compete at Worlds this year new info says she is going to be back next year.

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  • 26mi235
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  • 26mi235
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    The IAAF VIP section is not just 'appearing at track meets'.

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  • Tuariki
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  • Tuariki
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    I don't have a problem with banned athletes appearing at track meets as so long as they have no role in competing, officiating, coaching or promoting the sport - unless it is to preach the evils of drug use and apologise for, and/or admit to, their follies.

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  • gh
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  • gh
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    twice-banned Javier Sotomayor makes regular appearances in the IAAF's VIP section.

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