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    The latest saga reads more like a crime story....so even the head coach hasn't seen the plans....but he is good to go because they pay his salary....


    The stuff with the rotting wood in the East Grandstand is exactly the nonsense that they pulled in tearing down the West Grandstand 40+ years ago....and made a mess of it in the end.

  • #2
    If there are plans to tear down the East grandstand then I predict it getting tied up in the courts, and with a short deadline that is a challenge. Which could mean the organizers have to quickly switch to a plan B. Who knows, it could be what they’ve always wanted but haven’t been able to get the IAAF to approve—or, alternately, a way for all involved to say “this just isn’t going to work” followed by a quick switch to a different host, as was once done with Mexico City.

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    • #3
      Ken Goe of the Orygunian counted the permanent public seats last month, and came up with "about 8,500," including an estimate of 150 for the Powell Plaza, despite the official stadium capacity having been published as 10,500 for decades.
      http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfi...rt_river_index

      In May-June 2015, I very carefully counted every single row, end to end, of every section in each grandstand and came up with: West 4,066 + East 4,305 = 8,371 for paying seats only, not including press box and other always-reserved media areas nor any temporary bleachers. Adding 150 for the Powell Plaza would yield a total of 8,521, so Goe and I agree on the count.

      To me, this raises the question of how many permanent seats are really planned for Hayward after the renovation. If, for example, the UO Foundation tells us "12,000," is that about 3,500 more seats than at present, or is it only 1,500 more seats, pretending that it's 10,500 now, which it's not? I guess I'll have to do another count in 2 or 3 years.
      Last edited by Charley Shaffer; 03-27-2018, 06:39 AM. Reason: Minor typos

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      • #4
        The only thing left that is 'Historic' at Hayward Field is the East Grandstand....

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        • #5
          "Unlike the current east grandstand, there won't be any obstructed views and there will be proper-sized seating for people," the UO Foundation head says.
          http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2018/03/hayward_field_renovation_plan.html#incart_river_in dex

          "Proper-sized?" Does Mr. Weinhold mean wider, or narrower, than the current 18-inch marked width of the numbered seating on the East Grandstand benches?

          In practical terms, except for the Olympic Trials and the Prefontaine Classic, you can stretch out and occupy as much width as you wish in the East Grandstand. You can even lie down and snooze during long breaks between events in the multis. If they put in plastic bucket seats, that option will be gone, although I realize that some fans really want to have a seat-back.

          I'll miss seeing the spike holes in the old-growth bench seats--they aren't making lumber like that anymore--along with some carved initials dated at least as far back as the 1930s.
          Last edited by Charley Shaffer; 03-27-2018, 10:29 PM. Reason: Clarify last sentence.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by AyZiggy View Post
            ....or, alternately, a way for all involved to say “this just isn’t going to work” followed by a quick switch to a different host....
            My high school laid down a new all-weather track a year ago.....

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            • #7
              Looking more and more like Hayward as we know it will be totally gone, really wish I'd been able to make it out there and see it....if they tear down the whole thing it basically loses all significance to me.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Charley Shaffer View Post
                "Unlike the current east grandstand, there won't be any obstructed views and there will be proper-sized seating for people," the UO Foundation head says.
                http://www.oregonlive.com/trackandfield/index.ssf/2018/03/hayward_field_renovation_plan.html#incart_river_in dex

                "Proper-sized?" Does Mr. Weinhold mean wider, or narrower, than the current 18-inch marked width of the numbered seating on the East Grandstand benches?

                In practical terms, except for the Olympic Trials and the Prefontaine Classic, you can stretch out and occupy as much width as you wish in the East Grandstand. You can even lie down and snooze during long breaks between events in the multis. If they put in plastic bucket seats, that option will be gone, although I realize that some fans really want to have a seat-back.

                I'll miss seeing the spike holes in the old-growth bench seats--they aren't making lumber like that anymore--along with some carved initials dated at least as far back as the 1930s.
                The East Grandstand is great to sit in....I found the West very difficult without an aisle seat...and that a complaint I heard from a few....I would never sit in the West again.

                The whole project is stupid....all for a one off meet...in a residential area....

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                • #9
                  The West Grandstand has significantly less legroom between rows than the East; if it were a stairway, one could state that the "run" is less in the West. I've been told that this may have been the result of a limited budget when they were built. The incline of the West is also steeper than the East by approximately 3 degrees.

                  If you don't care about having a back on your seat, the East Grandstand can be very comfortable.

                  Hmm . . . I wonder if they could repurpose that old growth lumber from the seat benches into the new design somewhere. When "The Athletic Department" (the Nike store in Eugene) moved from 855 Olive St. to its second location ca. 1973, Geoff Hollister used hundreds of board feet from the just-demolished 1918-1919 West Grandstand as rustic wall paneling, doors, and shelves.

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                  • #10
                    In the RG today....I agree....

                    http://registerguard.com/rg/opinion/...isome.html.csp

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                    • #11
                      I agree with Mr. Dary & Mr. Truedson that the story about rot in the East Grandstand sounds rotten. Here's why: The Worlds were awarded to Eugene in April 2015, and the renovation was officially announced that September. In late May 2016, artist's concept drawings and 4 pages of project drawings were released. I find it very difficult to believe that the project design had advanced to that stage without licensed structural engineers having already conducted a comprehensive inspection and study of the East Grandstand. To do so would have been irresponsible.

                      Yet the promise of at least the exterior of the East Grandstand remaining visually intact remained the public story through the end of 2017, by which time rumors of its demise had surfaced, reported by the Oregonian in January 2018, and officially confirmed by the UO Foundation in the R-G in March 2018. If there really is "dry rot" that cannot be fixed without total demolition, this would have been known back in 2016.

                      Yes, the rotten wood story has been used before. I have been told by a retired UO faculty member who in 1972-1974 sat on the committee that was responsible for approving major UO projects that an independent structural engineer inspected the original West Grandstand at their request and found that the story of them being rotten beyond saving was baloney. Yet, with the coach being who he was, having so much power in the university and the community, the project went ahead anyway.

                      We're going to get what the powers-that-be want, but if the East Grandstand is demolished, they need to scrap the word "Historic" and remove it from the scoreboard and other signage.

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                      • #12
                        "We're going to get what the powers-that-be want, but if the East Grandstand is demolished, they need to scrap the word "Historic" and remove it from the scoreboard and other signage."

                        With this plan they could basically build their new track stadium anywhere and get far better parking ....like building Knight Arena and leaving Mac Court alone....there is nothing historic about 15th and Agate....

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                        • #13
                          I think they can do whatever they want to do. If they keep the name Hayward Field and keep the same location, they could still call it Historic and not many people are going to argue with that and if they do, that argument will not endure for very long.

                          Personally, I much prefer seats with backs (and even better, with backs and arm rests), and it would not bother me at all to see the East grandstand replaced with more comfortable seats.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Charley Shaffer View Post
                            I agree with Mr. Dary & Mr. Truedson that the story about rot in the East Grandstand sounds rotten. Here's why: The Worlds were awarded to Eugene in April 2015, and the renovation was officially announced that September. In late May 2016, artist's concept drawings and 4 pages of project drawings were released. I find it very difficult to believe that the project design had advanced to that stage without licensed structural engineers having already conducted a comprehensive inspection and study of the East Grandstand. To do so would have been irresponsible.

                            Yet the promise of at least the exterior of the East Grandstand remaining visually intact remained the public story through the end of 2017, by which time rumors of its demise had surfaced, reported by the Oregonian in January 2018, and officially confirmed by the UO Foundation in the R-G in March 2018. If there really is "dry rot" that cannot be fixed without total demolition, this would have been known back in 2016.

                            Yes, the rotten wood story has been used before. I have been told by a retired UO faculty member who in 1972-1974 sat on the committee that was responsible for approving major UO projects that an independent structural engineer inspected the original West Grandstand at their request and found that the story of them being rotten beyond saving was baloney. Yet, with the coach being who he was, having so much power in the university and the community, the project went ahead anyway.

                            We're going to get what the powers-that-be want, but if the East Grandstand is demolished, they need to scrap the word "Historic" and remove it from the scoreboard and other signage.

                            Today's RG....
                            "The talk of dry rot in the east grandstand at Hayward Field brings back memories. Years ago, when I was chairman of the University of Oregon’s campus planning committee, someone talked Bill Bowerman into wanting a new west grandstand as a sort of monument to himself.

                            A structural engineer hired to examine the stadium reported back that there was nothing wrong with the west grandstand, but that the roof on the east one needed to be attached more firmly. Bowerman told him to look again. Miraculously, the west stand suddenly developed problems that required its demolition.

                            The official version, as reported in the local newspaper, was that the fire marshal had declared it unsafe. No need to follow the usual university processes for permission to replace it.

                            Sadly for Bowerman, the eventual replacement was much less grand than he had been led to expect, but at least our beloved historic east stands remained intact — until now. Dry rot, they say."

                            http://registerguard.com/rg/opinion/...-else.html.csp

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                            • #15
                              Here's another "Thing Not T&F:"

                              A former UO student, runner, and remodeling contractor has officially submitted a plan to designate the East Grandstand a Eugene City Landmark.

                              http://registerguard.com/rg/sports/t...stand.html.csp

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