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  • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
    I think you're mistaken because Eastwood was never this good as a man, finishing in the middle of the pack and worse.
    I don't have any 5k data, but in May 2018, Jonathon Eastwood finished 7th in the Big Sky 1500 meter final, with a time of 3:53.55. He was in the middle of the pack, to be sure, but in a time that would be an AR if it had been run by June Eastwood.

    https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56433/...ionships/1500/

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    • Originally posted by bobguild76 View Post
      I don't have any 5k data, but in May 2018, Jonathon Eastwood finished 7th in the Big Sky 1500 meter final, with a time of 3:53.55. He was in the middle of the pack, to be sure, but in a time that would be an AR if it had been run by June Eastwood.

      https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56433/...ionships/1500/
      PR over 5000m as a male was 14:38 run indoors run in 2018.

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      • Originally posted by TN1965 View Post
        In the meantime, June Eastwood dominated the Big Sky Championships with her 8th place finish, 44 seconds behind the winner. She is scheduled to continue her dominance in the NCAA Regional in two weeks. Stay tuned.

        https://www.tfrrs.org/results/xc/163...ionship#113944
        The distance in the men's race had to have been longer than 8K based on the times, and the women's race was 5K. Why the odd distances for the Big Sky Conference?

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        • think c1400m of altitude

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          • Originally posted by bobguild76 View Post
            I don't have any 5k data, but in May 2018, Jonathon Eastwood finished 7th in the Big Sky 1500 meter final, with a time of 3:53.55. He was in the middle of the pack, to be sure, but in a time that would be an AR if it had been run by June Eastwood.

            https://www.tfrrs.org/results/56433/...ionships/1500/
            I assume a 4:03.55 would have won the women's race by a huge margin? I would have thought that 4:13.55 would guarantee a place higher than 7th?

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            • cycling about to go with the 5nmo limit it appears

              https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/uci...male-athletes/

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              • Meanwhile....

                https://mobile.twitter.com/Scienceof...66104856383488

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                • Does anyone know if FtM transgenders allowed to take testosterone to even the playing field with men? It only seems fair if you're going to allow MtF transgenders to compete with women. Also, are MtF in the same random testing program that normal athletes must participate in in order to keep their testosterone below the allowable limit? Do they get the same punishment that other athlete get for doping violations?
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                  Last edited by jazzcyclist; 11-05-2019, 11:54 PM.

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                  • Originally posted by jazzcyclist View Post
                    Also, are MtF in the same random testing program that normal athletes must participate in in order to keep their testosterone below the allowable limit? Do they get the same punishment that other athlete get for doping violations?

                    Yes, if their performances warrant it, but they additionally have to obtain and pay for their own testing to prove their T levels are below the limit for that sport.

                    If it were a case of a trans woman who had not had surgery having her T levels get too high because her medication stopped working or she stopped taking it, I think (at least in track) she would be ineligible for a year (and would not be eligible until her levels were below the cutoff for a year), but I do not believe it would be an ADRV.

                    I assume that if a trans woman failed a drug test for any other reason, that they would be subject to the normal anti-doping rules.

                    XX women with PCOS can have T levels above this new 5 nmol/L cutoff, we don't charge them with an ADRV, or even require that they lower their T levels.

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                    • What do the acronyms PCOS and ADRV stand for?

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                      • PCOS = Polycystic ovary syndrome

                        ADRV = Anti-Doping Rule Violation

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                        • Thanks!

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                          • Originally posted by polevaultpower View Post
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                            XX women with PCOS can have T levels above this new 5 nmol/L cutoff, we don't charge them with an ADRV, or even require that they lower their T levels.
                            That sounds wise. How frequently do women with PCOS have T levels above the cutoff?

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                            • Originally posted by polevaultpower
                              XX women with PCOS can have T levels above this new 5 nmol/L cutoff, we don't charge them with an ADRV, or even require that they lower their T levels.
                              First, let me emphasize that I am not a gynecologist or reproductive endocrinologist, so not exactly an expert on polycystic ovary, also known by an older generation as Stein-Leventhal syndrome.

                              It is true that these women have high testosterone levels, but their physique is anything but athletic. They are generally overwight, tend to be diabetic, so not considering them in the same class as the transsexuals is entirely appropriate.
                              "A beautiful theory killed by an ugly fact."
                              by Thomas Henry Huxley

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                              • Originally posted by bobguild76 View Post
                                That sounds wise. How frequently do women with PCOS have T levels above the cutoff?
                                Never in the known history of medicine, according to the IAAF who said the highest known T level ever recorded was 4.8 (slightly under the 5.0 nmol/L cutoff).

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