1979 Sandvik 800gr/80m Mens Old style javelin

[jkolger]

I have an old style Sandvik 80m javelin that I purchased in 1979. I used it in a dozen or so competitions. I was told that it may have some value to modern-day throwers. They prefer this javelin to modify it into a legal javelin? Not sure if that is the case. Can some one shed some light on this? It has something to do with diameter dimensions on the tail.

[El Toro]

I have an old style Sandvik 80m javelin that I purchased in 1979. I used it in a dozen or so competitions. I was told that it may have some value to modern-day throwers. They prefer this javelin to modify it into a legal javelin? Not sure if that is the case. Can some one shed some light on this? It has something to do with diameter dimensions on the tail.

I think the only things you can do now with an old javelin (pre-1985 M, pre-1999 W) is cheat in competition or use it for training if you are too poor to buy enough current specification spears. The latter is quite reasoable for low level throwers but pointless for anybody in the 70-85m range for your implement.

As far as I remember, without looking it up, the old M javelin is fundamentally too long to meet the current javelin specification, so any modification of the centre of balance/ lift to match current specification would still make it redundant because of all the other dimensions of taper and diameter that need to be met.

I have dozens of high end, old school Sandvik/Held/Apollo/etc javelins, both male and female, with an original value of AUD ~8,000+ with an estimated current market value of $0. I don't expect to do anything with them except cut off the bindings and take them to a metal recycler.

I'd be interested in the opinion of anybody who has done this sort of conversion and got it past a competent technical official and how they feel about that...

[DET59]

I think the only things you can do now with an old javelin (pre-1985 M, pre-1999 W) is cheat in competition or use it for training if you are too poor to buy enough current specification spears. The latter is quite reasoable for low level throwers but pointless for anybody in the 70-85m range for your implement.

As far as I remember, without looking it up, the old M javelin is fundamentally too long to meet the current javelin specification, so any modification of the centre of balance/ lift to match current specification would still make it redundant because of all the other dimensions of taper and diameter that need to be met.

I have dozens of high end, old school Sandvik/Held/Apollo/etc javelins, both male and female, with an original value of AUD ~8,000+ with an estimated current market value of $0. I don't expect to do anything with them except cut off the bindings and take them to a metal recycler.

I'd be interested in the opinion of anybody who has done this sort of conversion and got it past a competent technical official and how they feel about that...

Ron Johnson aka The Track Man LLC does conversions from Old Rules to New Rules but does note that not all old rules javelins are able to convert on his website. He charges $195 to rebuild a javelin, and $220 to do a conversion/rebuild. With the current cost of a new jave it might be worth looking into. Ron's website is thejavelinman.com and he is located in Reno, Nevada USA.

Jeff Gorsk posted on the FB Javelin Throwers Unite these details about conversion "lt depends on the javelin. The taper on the tail is the biggest issue so an old rules javelin ''rated'' for 55m or less/800gm could be modified to meet current specs. 0ld models rated over 60m have a taper on the tail section that would not meet the current rules, so they would be fine for training but not possible to convert to current rules. l think the ''cut off'' for a 600gm is 45m rating as old rules implement."

[El Toro]

Ron Johnson aka The Track Man LLC does conversions from Old Rules to New Rules but does note that not all old rules javelins are able to convert on his website. He charges $195 to rebuild a javelin, and $220 to do a conversion/rebuild. With the current cost of a new jave it might be worth looking into. Ron's website is thejavelinman.com and he is located in Reno, Nevada USA.

Jeff Gorsk posted on the FB Javelin Throwers Unite these details about conversion "lt depends on the javelin. The taper on the tail is the biggest issue so an old rules javelin ''rated'' for 55m or less/800gm could be modified to meet current specs. 0ld models rated over 60m have a taper on the tail section that would not meet the current rules, so they would be fine for training but not possible to convert to current rules. l think the ''cut off'' for a 600gm is 45m rating as old rules implement."

Interesting, and it seems to confirm that the OPs javelin couldn't be converted.

I also can't see the value if only low end old spec javelins can be converted because they tended to be more cheaply made than the more expensive versions. You can buy new spec low end javelins for less then the refurb price but maybe I'm missing something.

However, if I had a new spec high end javelin which seem to be selling in the USD 1200-2000 range and it had a worn binding, then a rebinding certainly seems good value.

[DET59]

Interesting, and it seems to confirm that the OPs javelin couldn't be converted.

I also can't see the value if only low end old spec javelins can be converted because they tended to be more cheaply made than the more expensive versions. You can buy new spec low end javelins for less then the refurb price but maybe I'm missing something.

However, if I had a new spec high end javelin which seem to be selling in the USD 1200-2000 range and it had a worn binding, then a rebinding certainly seems good value.

Interesting post and yes the OP's jave is a wall-hanger at best. From what I've heard Ron Johnson has a bit of Dick Held's wizard blood when it comes to both setting up new elite javelins and bringing old javelins back to life. An old rules, mid price range aluminum Held/OTE 55m, put in Ron's hand for reshaping, re-trueing, wrapping and painting would be an excellent jave for a mulieventer or masters thrower... way better than an import budget jave. Some folk even claim 50 year old aluminum has undergone a type of "molecular aging" that adds to flight stability... basically magic is involved : )

[El Toro]

Some folk even claim 50 year old aluminum has undergone a type of "molecular aging" that adds to flight stability... basically magic is involved : )

If you know those sort of people, you should be selling them some similarly magical audio equipment:

https://robbreport.com.au/homes/most-expensive-speaker-cables/

[DET59]

If you know those sort of people, you should be selling them some similarly magical audio equipment:

https://robbreport.com.au/homes/most-expensive-speaker-cables/

Lol.... yes audio engineering much like javelin technology! Funny, my cousin owns a mastering studio in Nashville and has worked with the who's who of country and rock. For him, a client's ability to "hear" is often a combination of the production budget and ego/vanity... they just can't take his word after 40+ years experience that something actually sounds right... so they do it again. And again.

[El Toro]

Lol.... yes audio engineering much like javelin technology! Funny, my cousin owns a mastering studio in Nashville and has worked with the who's who of country and rock. For him, a client's ability to "hear" is often a combination of the production budget and ego/vanity... they just can't take his word after 40+ years experience that something actually sounds right... so they do it again. And again.

Yeah, there was a guy a long while back who offered $1m (I think) to anybody who could pick the difference in certain bullshit audio components. The trick? They'd have to do it in repeated double blind A/B testing. I don't think anybody even took him up on the offer, let alone win it. Sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the details.

Also, I've seen people, maybe including your cousin, point out the obvious - recordings aren't made with magical wires and magical speakers, just appropiately specced, cheap, soldered copper wire and maybe gold plated connections and non-$200k+ speakers.

This is similar to violins where all the double blind tests show a tendency to prefer modern construction violins but when people know they are playing/listening to a Strad or Guarnerius, they say they are always somehow, indefinably better than any modern instrument.

Human delusion, like stupidity is endless. That's why all the young women lust after me but are just too shy too admit it...

[Davidokun]

Yeah, there was a guy a long while back who offered $1m (I think) to anybody who could pick the difference in certain bullshit audio components. The trick? They'd have to do it in repeated double blind A/B testing. I don't think anybody even took him up on the offer, let alone win it. Sorry, I'm too lazy to look up the details.

Also, I've seen people, maybe including your cousin, point out the obvious - recordings aren't made with magical wires and magical speakers, just appropiately specced, cheap, soldered copper wire and maybe gold plated connections and non-$200k+ speakers.

This is similar to violins where all the double blind tests show a tendency to prefer modern construction violins but when people know they are playing/listening to a Strad or Guarnerius, they say they are always somehow, indefinably better than any modern instrument.

Human delusion, like stupidity is endless. That's why all the young women lust after me but are just too shy too admit it...

It was James Randi:

James Randi Offers $1 Million If Audiophiles Can Prove $7250 Speaker Cables Are Better

Michael Fremer of Stereophile accepted the challenge. Alas, the cable manufacturer declined to participate, so the result was nothing but name-calling:

Blake Withdrawls from PEAR Cable Challenge

The Swift Boating of Audiophiles